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OlafS25 
Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 10:23:55
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I have asked this to gpsoft, the owner of Directory Opus Magellan II:

The other question is, would it be
possible to open the source (f.e. for using it in Aros) and how much would you want to have for it? I would ask to make a bounty for it, perhaps there is enough interest.

And the answer was:
For the source, we would want something like A$5-10K.

What do you think? Should we make a bounty?

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Toaks 
Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 10:36:34
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@OlafS25

Amiga version liscense belongs to Guru Meditation afaik.
OS4 port has been in the works, no idea if and what happened to it.
Maybe the liscense has expired since GPsoft answered like they did.

If it ends up on 10k it would look like this in more common Currencies:
10,000.00 AUD = 6,759.77 GBP
10,000.00 AUD = 10,505.30 USD
10,000.00 AUD = 8,127.86 EUR


so the bounty would have to be bigger than the current Timberwolf bounty which has been going for several years now.
And as far as i can remember, Dopus Mag 1/2 wasnt all that popular/common.


anyway, probably no people around to mess or spend time with the enormous amount of Assembler code in it.

anyway, if there was to be a bounty then it would have to be version specific for me to even consider contribute/donate to it as i know how much work there would be to port /re do it.

that said, i would donate an huge amount of cash easily as i have always been a huge fan of Dopus Magellan.

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 10:39:00
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@Toaks

it could be used at least in emulation and it works in Aros 68k so I do not think that ports would be impossible.

there are a lot of people responding so I think there is a lot of interest in all camps.

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 11:05:14
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@OlafS25

whats the point of getting sources when you want to run it in emulation then?

i don't know about your Assembler skills, i have done my fair share of Assembler code since the late 80's and i can safely say that DopusMag will require a lot of time and several developers to be 100% motivated and with lots of skill.

never said it would be impossible to port, it will require an huge amount of work and the guy in charge will have to know and have time for all the Assembler code.

As for a lot of interest in all camps, i don't doubt that but what i doubt is that the bounty will get large enough.

Also, i am not trying to sound negative or anything remotly like that, i am very interested in this bounty suggestion, but i trying to be realistic about it, that said, i know the guys who atempted to port it to OS4 5-6 years ago.

PS: also, the various ports of Dopus has to be finetuned due to how OS4 and Morphos (no idea how AROS works in this area) has progressed over the years as afterall Dopus MAG is actual wb takeover system.

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Posted on 23-Jan-2012 12:29:29
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@OlafS25

I have been thinking about making a clone for some time, if some one makes a bounty then I do it.

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 12:47:19
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I have no job, but ok to give 50 € for the bounty...

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Posted on 23-Jan-2012 13:13:54
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@Toaks

That said, I believe the 68K version works just fine as it is on MorphOS, maybe more possible to just fix the part(s) that make it fail on OS4? A 68K version wouldn't be noticeably slow running with the 68K layer of OS4?

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Posted on 23-Jan-2012 13:15:57
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Maybe itix can be pesuaded into this work =)

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33126&forum=32&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#598827


I started a thread after contacting Greg Perry a year ago :
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56570

It fell out in the sand because of the high amount of money needed back then...
Maybe if the price was a little less...

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Posted on 23-Jan-2012 13:20:16
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@thread

A couple of links that might be worth reading on the topic, courtesty Andreas Wolf on Morphzone:

response to user from Dr. Greg Perry

Amikit announces inclusion of FULL & REGISTERED VERSION OF DIRECTORY OPUS MAGELLAN II

Morphzone thread on topic

Amiga.org thread on topic

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Toaks 
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@danwood

Quote:

danwood wrote:
@Toaks

That said, I believe the 68K version works just fine as it is on MorphOS, maybe more possible to just fix the part(s) that make it fail on OS4? A 68K version wouldn't be noticeably slow running with the 68K layer of OS4?


it would be slow compared to a native one and it wouldnt work with the new os4 features without beeing a hack.

You can get it to run on OS4 but it requires fiddling and its prone to crash from time to time and yeah.

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 16:01:14
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Directory Opus Magellan II is over 10 years old. hyperion makes a newloadwb in os 4.5 and there is scalaos too.... i rather prefer candy factory 2 to be complete make a motivation bounty then istend of this one

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itix 
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Posted on 23-Jan-2012 16:41:40
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@Develin

Quote:

Maybe itix can be pesuaded into this work =)

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33126&forum=32&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#598827


I hope I didn't promise too much :D

I'd like to give it a try if it is not too much in 68k asm :) 68k asm stuff can be left as is and called from PPC code but it is pointless if all what it has is Main() calling 68k asm routine.

I never liked DOpus (Magellan or not) but it still has its use in MorphOS. It is useful even to Ambient developers since you can run Magellan as your desktop and launch/quit Ambient development builds without losing your desktop.

But I wouldnt donate... no use for me.

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BrandonLee 
Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 16:49:07
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@Toaks

DOpus Mag not that popular? It was considered, at the time, to be one of the best Amiga programs ever!!!!
And I agree.

I've also contacted GP Soft in the past and they confirmed the licence for OS4 was attributed to Guru Meditations. This was many years ago, so I guess that project has been "killed" already.

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BrandonLee 
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Posted on 23-Jan-2012 16:51:36
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@retro

Quote:
Directory Opus Magellan II is over 10 years old.


That doesn't detract anything from it.
I can say it is THE program I miss the most from my 3.0 days.
Even with the huge imrovements OS4 has seen, a tool like this would still be a huge bonus, IMHO.

I'm not counting on it ever showing up, though... ;(

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Metalheart 
Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
Posted on 23-Jan-2012 16:55:31
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@BrandonLee

So, what features do you miss ?

What is so great about it ?

Seriously , I'm asking and not trolling.

I must say, I didn't care for it that much. I liked OPUS 4 better.

Cheers

Martin

edit: adding to that, Windows Explorer begins to grow on me a bit. A hybrid of Filer and Win Explorer could be nice.... (dont shoot me...)

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OlafS25 
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@Metalheart

you like to live dangerous using words like "Windows" here

Not everyone liked it and not everyone will donate either but there is a lot of interest across all camps, so we could try. I think all would benefit, even the MorphOS-User

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Posted on 23-Jan-2012 17:10:30
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@Toaks

Quote:
Amiga version liscense belongs to Guru Meditation afaik. OS4 port has been in the works, no idea if and what happened to it. Maybe the liscense has expired since GPsoft answered like they did.



http://system-log.com/2011/02/17/interview-with-jonathan-potter-creator-of-directory-opus-part-2/

From Deniil715@Amigaworld :

“Nice interview, but you didn’t ask what’s up with the OS4 port of DOpus 5 licensed to GuruMeditation. I would really have had some light shed over that sad mystery… “


The answer from Dr.Greg Perry :

We made a number of attempts to work with developers continuing with Amiga development to further develop Directory Opus for the Amiga line. Initially we signed a contract with Hyperion for licensing and development but they proved to be, well to be blunt, dishonest and untrustworthy, not what one expected in the Amiga world:). Even after repeated requests and discussions over six months after they signed the contract they refused to honour the deal and make payments for the licence as agreed. While I have no direct evidence but considering the fact that they widely promoted the deal and their future development plans, it has been suggested to us by a few that they were never serious about development and their behaviour was a stalling tactic to boost their profile and keep the product out of the hands of their competitors. This dragged on for a long time until we decided to cancel the contract out of frustration at their conduct.

We then assigned a licence to Andreas Loong of Guru Meditation in late 2004. This was a licence to further develop the product with a three year time limit on producing a new version. While GM invested in work on the project it never came to fruition so the licence reverted back to us.

So this is the situation at the moment. We have had a number of enquiries to continue development but not reached agreement with anyone as of this date.

For clarity, a licence for Amiga versions to licence trademarks and copyrights, ongoing Magellan II sales, marketing and future development is currently available for a low initial licence fee plus a small continuing royalty on future sales. Interested parties should contact us directly and discuss their plans and needs.

We have discussed the concept of an Open Source but there are some copyright and trademark issues. We would consider allowing this if a company or group purchased a licence as discussed above.

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Metalheart 
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@OlafS25

Yeah, I know......

Anyway... Any extra software is welcome to any Amiga platform, be it a port or not.

Just wondering what the fuss is about













































windows

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@terminills

yeah i saw that, number6 allready posted that like 4 hours ago :)

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@Metalheart

Quote:
What is so great about it ?


Well, the main thing I miss is the "feel" of using it. I can't pinpoint any specific item regarding to this, it just did "housekeeping" taks VERY easy.

I loved the "double-click anywhere" anywhere to bring up a requester.
The configurability of each requesters icon bar (for some reason, OS4 dock configuring still feels weird).
The way it worked with filetypes was much better than OS4 method.

Many of the things I like may be "rose-tinted" by the passing of time, but it's the most intuitive experience I had with Amiga. Not to say OS4 is bad, but things felt smoother with DOpus Mag.

And I resisted installed it on my A1200 for a few months! Bought it and took a long time to actually use it. But I never looked back afterwards.
So, if you were never a serious user (by this, I mean taking your time to finetune everything), I can understand why you don't think much of it. I was there, too. ;)

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