We released new versions of Icaros and AspireOS last friday.

In one week Icaros been downloaded 3000 times and AspireOS 327 times.

Is that amazing or what ?

@nikosidis

it is amazing in fact, even though it doesnt mean anything like aros has 3k+ users now.

@wawa

How big was download count of haiku release 1 in few weeks? Milion?

However, 3k+ is good start.

@wawa

The point is that it is a big potential. Sure nowhere near half of thoose 3300 will use AROS for real, first of all cause the lack of drivers etc.

It for sure gave me a huge rush. I would never expect anywhere near thoose numbers.

@Pavlor

Haiku: not my cup of tea. To be honest AROS have much more potential in my opinion.

1 million is also totaly out of this world to say. I would say max 5000

They don't even have a ok web-browser. Odyssey is 100000 times more advanced :P

www.aspireos.com

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@nikosidis

even though it cannot be compared with an initial release there was a lot of publicity in advance especially considering owb was added to the distribution, which likely might have played a major role. also the fortunate press coverage has certainly contribute to those results.

what annoys me is, that there are still long standing and very annoying bugs that immediately catch attention of first time user, most of them in wanderer, and none takes care about that. i have mentioned it repeatedly in context of aros 68k to about no effect. aros desperately needs paper cuts phase 2 imho. otherwise this success will just be another straw fire.

@wawa

I don't know much about aros 68k, but I know it is quite different from AROS i386.

Could you please come with a bug list ?
I'm not saying it is perfect, but for sure is very usable and stable with i386 version with the right hardware.

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@nikosidis
ive done that on aros.exec. i think most issues are cross platform.

@nikosidis

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Haiku: not my cup of tea. To be honest AROS have much more potential in my opinion. They don't even have a ok web-browser. Odyssey is 100000 times more advanced :P

Webpositive is useable, but certainly not on the OWB level.

Haiku has some strong points:
multi-core support
memory protection
splendid desktop (you realy can´t compare Wanderer with BeOS-like desktop )

and of course many weak points (mainly drivers).


I like and use both haiku and AROS.

@pavlor

Yes, Haiku have some strong points like you mention. I still don't like the OS structure or interface. It reminds me to much of Linux, so to me there is no point using it. I much rather use Linux that have a very good software library.

@pavlor

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Haiku has some strong points: multi-core support memory protection splendid desktop (you realy can´t compare Wanderer with BeOS-like desktop )

When I tried Haiku alpha long ago, I noticed it wasn't even localized. AROS has locale for dozens of countries, the may not be perfect, but I think a USER will notice the language the OS is talking to him before the presence or the absence of memory protection, or the core-count.

I also don't like so much Be-style icons. I didn't like them 15 years ago when the BeOS was the BeOS, I don't like them 15 years after, even if the desktop reacts better or appears more polished. I think AROS has better customization abilities and I am confident some times this community will produce a better Zune skin to it, something more professional than the ones we use for nightlies and for Icaros.

Moreover: I hereby hijack this thread asking this to the community. Amigans were famous artists: would someone work on a professional looking Zune theme for AROS? I'd willingly add it to my distribution.

@paolone

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I think AROS has better customization abilities and I am confident some times this community will produce a better Zune skin to it, something more professional than the ones we use for nightlies and for Icaros.

Without doubt. Hopefuly such new theme will be simple and nice rather than heavy and bloated.


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I also don't like so much Be-style icons.

AROS icons in nightly builds are much worser . Thankfuly most distributions use realy good icon collection (Ken´s icons?).

My most favourite icon themes are:
1) Glow icons from 3.5-4.0pre days
2) Mason Icons (4.1u1 and higher)
3) MagicWB
4) Ken´s icons

Of course, everybody has his own favourites. Deafault theme should adress general public, not some obscure desires of pavlor.

@paolone
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but I think a USER will notice the language the OS is talking to him before the presence or the absence of memory protection

the user will notice it soon enough.. though jasons thoughts on that might fruit on some workable solution soon without losing backwards compatibility on 68k. at least i hope that.

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I am confident some times this community will produce a better Zune skin to it,

i hope too, even though being an artist myself i dont have motivation nor endurance for a task like that. except cgi is not exactly my skill. nevertheless the late icon scaling feature (by jason again) might contribute to the better looks altogether. the window skins are the most urgent issue.

@pavlor

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Without doubt. Hopefuly such new theme will be simple and nice rather than heavy and bloated.

+1

@pavlor

you name almost all icon set standards there were. i personally liked magicwb even though never had it fully installed. i think amiga type icons should scale down well to low color screens by default. therefore i think the theme should be grayish as 2.x-3.x theme was with accents of color where it needs to be ergonomically necessary to catch attention for important gui elements. id borrow the concept of striped color upper window bar of 1.x as it is currently the case with default aros theme. i would though get rid of all these thick bent surfaces all over the place.

Aros is approaching its time to shine, yes there are still issues, but our wonderful developers have done fantastic work over the past year to get us here and I know they will deliver even more this year and next.

Aros can be a beacon to the outside world that Amiga is not dead and will never die, it has a lot to offer the computer enthusiast and novice and we will all continue to ensure it does.

Remember Amiga either started or inspired most of the things we take for granted now. It is time to regain the respect it deserves.

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@wawa

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you name almost all icon set standards there were

No, not at all:
1.x
2.x-3.1
New Icons (standard theme, Pro Lite theme, ...)
many PNG icon themes
MorphOS default icons

and probably more.

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i think amiga type icons should scale down well to low color screens by default.

That depends on target platform. Classic for sure, but on x86 it doesn´t make any sense.


My favourite Amiga GUI theme is AmigaOS 4.x (4.0 like version is supplied with some AROS distributions). It is simple, realy "Amiga" and still modern.

@pavlor

4.x theme is also rather grayish if not t count the backgrounds.
i think aros should keep up to being as universal as possible. grayish rather low color theme has besides scaling well down other advantages, like being elegant and overseeable, not distracting, not coming in the way.. notice that apple chooses rather toned themes too. windows default themes on the other hand are overloaded and awful.

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Talking about Icons. I'm doing a little change for AspireOS ;)

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fV1m7SmhnNDZyMb_hSPiNTtIBoCSKUffJ6OPG8zNCZM?feat=directlink

@paolone

this one was really beautiful:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091113140135/http://www.entwickler-x.de/amigaguiprojekt.php

seems the page is gone now - the window borders look very os4 of course. but the gray shades of the theme are wonderfully subtle - icaros could use these!

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Sorry for the off topic, but I often see the fact Haiku has memory protection as a plus point for it, which in some ways it obviously is, but Ive always found that in real life usage Haiku still has stability issues. In fact Id go as far as to say AROS is the more stable of the 2.