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Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 3:17:31
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Can anyone comment on Sil 3112 vs Sil 3512? Which should be better? Can an A1-XE uBoot 1.1.1 boot from 3512?
Thanks for any replies. Last edited by daveyw on 13-Jul-2014 at 07:45 AM.
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 9:55:58
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I have used both, 3112's are very hard to find now. but the only real difference is the 3112 has 2 sata ports and the 3512 has 4 _________________ OS4 Rocks X1000 beta tester, Sam440 Flex (733)
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 9:57:30
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3112 is better. I believe that the 3112 offers two SATA channels while the 3512 provides only one. You may find a 3512 pci card with more than one port but the ports are sharing the same channel thus degraded performance.
My uboot (I believe its also 1.1.1 , the minimum to run 4.1) has the option to boot of a serial disk and OS4.1.6 has the device drivers for 3114, 3112 and 3512. So its safe to say that you can get a 3112 and expect it to work.
EDIT erm.. I might have confused the 3512 with the SiI3531... Last edited by Trewq on 13-Jul-2014 at 10:00 AM.
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 10:10:48
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I have a Sil 3512, it only has two SATA ports. I have seen those with two more. They are external on the backside of the card.
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 10:18:06
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I've no idea whch is "best" but so long as there is a driver for it in kickstart and there is for the 3112 and 3114 and 3512 it will boot.
As to port numbers
3112 has 2 3114 has 4 which may or may not mean that 3512 has 2
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 11:55:18
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There may be variations, as Niolator has said. but my (one and only) 3512 has two internal ports. It has tracks and pads for two external ports (no connectors fitted), but whether they are for two independent ports or a variation with two external ports instead of two internal ports, I have no idea.
(edit) Closer inspection shows that the pads for the two external connectors on my 3512 card are wired in parallel with the internal SATA connectors, so the idea is that you can use the card in any of four configurations (2 in, none out, 1 in, 1 out, 2 out, none in). (/edit) Last edited by tonyw on 13-Jul-2014 at 12:04 PM.
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 14:39:48
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3114 has 4
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Yes, might as well join in, my 3114 I am looking at has 4 , it's rectangular has 2 at one end and 2 on one long side practically at the other end
It was originally out of my old AmigaOne, I've used it on occassion in my AmigaOne X1000s at times when I need that 5th SATA connection and USB isn't an option
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 15:46:55
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Yes, might as well join in, my 3114 I am looking at has 4 , it's rectangular has 2 at one end and 2 on one long side practically at the other end
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Hmmm... Just checked mine, the box says 3512 4 ports (plain white oem box with a sticker on it) but the card has a 3114 chip on it. anyway, I've used this card in an XE and a Micro with all 4 ports in use with no problems.
For an XE it doesn't matter what you get, the 3512 it probably a faster card but you won't get the maximum out of any sata card as iirc the FSB on an XE is 133Mhz which limits the transfer speeds.
All you need to decide is if you need 2 or 4 ports and then see what you can find.
for example: SIL3514 4X PORT SATA CARD W/ RAID_________________ OS4 Rocks X1000 beta tester, Sam440 Flex (733)
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 21:19:39
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All you need to decide is if you need 2 or 4 ports and then see what you can find.
for example: SIL3514 4X PORT SATA CARD W/ RAID | Well, there are OS4 drivers for SiI3112, SiI3114 and SiI3512, but none for SiI3514, so I would stay clear of that one - unless you know for sure it will work with one of the drivers we have?
Also, whether a card can support booting is also a matter of the UBoot and slb versions (the OP is using an A1 XE). I don't remember offhand which ones had booting supported in which versions, but make sure before you buy.
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 13-Jul-2014 22:36:41
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I thought that was the point of the original question !
Having a "special" U-Boot chip in my XE, I can't remember which SATA cards you (the average punter) can boot from and which you can't. The "special" version that betatesters have had since 2007 enables you to boot from some devices that the ordinary version does not, but at the expense of not being able to boot _________________ cheers tony
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 14-Jul-2014 5:59:09
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I've no idea whch is "best" but so long as there is a driver for it in kickstart and there is for the 3112 and 3114 and 3512 it will boot.
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Unfortunately, this is not correct. Drivers are part of the OS. It doesn't matter if you have a driver or not, unless uboot can boot from the device it doesn't matter. And uboot 1.1.1 cannot book from 3114.
I know this for a fact because I have one in my A1-XE right now and I can't boot from it. Hence my question about the 3512 being bootable.
Thanks for all the replies. It's a quandry. 3114's are plentiful (and I already have one), but uboot 1.1.1 cannot boot from it.
I only just found this out at the end of April. I bought my 3114 expecting to stick it in and off we go. But the fact that I can't boot from it makes it more complicated, and since then I've had both my old 0680 card and the 3114 together, with the 0680 still working as the boot drive.
3112s and slightly more expensive 3512s are available, I have to buy them from overseas. I've already bought one 3112 which turned out to be a total lemon. I've also bought a 3112/usb combo card, but it just ran so slowly.
I could flash to uboot 1.1.4, but I'd rather keep that as an absolute last resort.
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 14-Jul-2014 6:25:42
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 14-Jul-2014 9:27:41
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I think they'd be very much plan C! Someone else mentioned using one, and had a lot of problems. _________________ --------------- AmigaOne X5000 P5020 2Ghz, OS 4.1 AmigaOne XE G4 800mhz, OS 4.1 A1200T 40Mhz 68040, OS 3.9 |
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 14-Jul-2014 9:52:51
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Hence my question about the 3512 being bootable. |
I tried a USB/SATA combo card in my micro A1 that used the 3512 chipset. The SATA drive was recognized and it worked - but I could not get it to boot. |
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 14-Jul-2014 14:57:28
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just as a bit of a backgrounder, there is no advantage to using a SIL3112 card over a SIL3512. in fact the 3512 is just a technology re-map of the 3112 to fit on a smaller, 128-pin package with minor updates to support the PCI 2.3 standard. if you have the option to grab a 3512, i'd do so over the 3112 anyway -- assuming the revision of u-boot used in the XEs is capable of booting from a device attached to a 3512 controller, of course.
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 15-Jul-2014 6:38:26
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I think combo cards are in a class of their own... like I said, I had one based on the 3112 chipset and Via USB, but it ran so ridiculously slow it was useless. _________________ --------------- AmigaOne X5000 P5020 2Ghz, OS 4.1 AmigaOne XE G4 800mhz, OS 4.1 A1200T 40Mhz 68040, OS 3.9 |
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 15-Jul-2014 6:42:31
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I'm getting kinda desperate, so I've bought a 3112 off ebay. Hopefully will be here in a week. I don't think I've had confirmation that the 3512 is bootable on the A1-XE under uboot 1.1.1 _________________ --------------- AmigaOne X5000 P5020 2Ghz, OS 4.1 AmigaOne XE G4 800mhz, OS 4.1 A1200T 40Mhz 68040, OS 3.9 |
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 16-Jul-2014 16:37:30
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Its not a big deal to reflash your uboot to 1.1.4 if you need to...your uboot params will all remain the same, you will just have a few more boot options for other cards....
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 17-Jul-2014 17:01:07
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I'm in the exact same situation as you. The ide-drive in my A1-XE also broke down and I bought a SSD disk and a SIL3114 as it was listed as working on IntuitionBase. Unfortunately they forgot to mention that it is not supported in uboot. So I will bin that and have now ordered a SIL3112 from Ebay.
Is there a guide on how to set up uboot with the SIL3112?
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Re: Sil 3112 v Sil3512? Posted on 18-Jul-2014 5:51:59
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I'm not sure if there's a guide anywhere. I might get grief for posting this link, but there's some useful info here:
http://www.titan.co.nz/amigaak/AA020812.htm
Basically, you have to interrupt uboot and change your boot device to SII Serial Disk. This will tell uboot to boot off the bootable partition of any SATA drive with the highest boot priority.
You can also change the uboot prefs from uboot http://www.titan.co.nz/amigaak/AA020813d.htm or from Workbench http://www.titan.co.nz/amigaak/AA020844d26.htm
I wouldn't advise binning the 3114. Remember it does work, and it will be bootable if you ever switch to uboot 1.1.4. If you have a spare slot, you could use both the 3114 and the 3112 (although who has spare slots these days? ) _________________ --------------- AmigaOne X5000 P5020 2Ghz, OS 4.1 AmigaOne XE G4 800mhz, OS 4.1 A1200T 40Mhz 68040, OS 3.9 |
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