Hi All

How legal is this site?

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Last edited by _Steve_ on 03-Mar-2015 at 03:38 PM.
Last edited by g01df1sh on 24-Feb-2015 at 04:17 PM.

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@g01df1sh

Huh?

This site has become a real dump attracting some pretty sick people of lately.

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To quote someone famous, I would say, probably illegal :P

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@g01df1sh

About as legal as me and yo' mama!

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@g01df1sh

As legal as any forum. Unless it has become illegal to talk about the Amiga. AFAIK it doesn't promote illegal softwae links.

@Hypex

Although I did once get ridiculed by some for pointing out that an upload to aminet was questionable legally One clown even said some crap about me trying to outdo the pope which is crazy. Children annoy me, so I'm hardly a candidate for Catholicism at all let alone any sort of priesthood.

Some people have too much free time I guess


@g01df1sh

To quote Lisa Simpson:
27.

@g01df1sh

One question that have never been tested in court as far as i know, is that some users use copyrighted material as their user pictures. So some users might have copyrighted material as their user pictures, and basically Amigaworld isnt allowed to republish them, even they are user pictures, yet they do. But i doubt there could happen much even if someone would take amigaworld.net to court because of that.

I believe it would be quite strong defence already to point out all the other websites with same problem. Perhaps someone should gather bunch of smurf user pictuers and send them to peyo and see if something happens, especially since im pretty sure someone )and probably more than just one) in some forum will be using username smurf with a smurf picture.

@Bugala

Doh sorry forgot link to site in question have now edited original post.

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@g01df1sh
I just wonder why you asking that. They are not selling it, these games are about 25 years old, so I am asking what's your problem?

@ExiE

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just wonder why you asking that. They are not selling it, these games are about 25 years old, so I am asking what's your problem?

I don't know the details of the sites licensing, so they may or may not be legal, but the frequent disseminated idea that it's okay to distribute copyright material free of charge just because it's old is obscene. Peoples livelyhoods depend on this stuff, and even if they don't they belong to the original authors or whoever they chose to sell them to.

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@g01df1sh

sounds like a bad idea anyway, why must everything these days be online!

@Bugala

Usage of small clips of art for icons etc would probabvly fall under 'fair use' so long as you were not misrepresenting yourself as a repersentative of the organsition owning them or defaming them. Posting of more substantial content gets more dubious, which is why sites like wikipedia go to some lengths to establish and display copyright inof on images shared there.

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@g01df1sh

moral of the story:
Be quick and make sure to download all their games before they have to close the site.

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@BigGun

And don't tell people about the site until you have got all the Gamez and Warez you need lol

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Heh..... they even have a donate button.
Little bit audacious in my opinion. Hosting illegal software and then wanting money for doing so.

Piracy is one thing, but profiting from other peoples hard work, even if it is old, is the act of scum as far as Im concerned.

@g01df1sh

I guess everything else is about okay (depending upon country of course), except that you are offering those games for download. As far as I know, there is no country that legally recognises so called Abandonware. There however are countries which dont recognise copyright.

To have those games downloadable from your site, you need to ask permission for them from the copyright holders, like back2roots have done.

This is sometimes problematic as there might be only very little clue to who owns the copyright currently, as original copyright holders might have ceased to exist (bankrupt company) or people have died and those who inherited the game, dont even know they did.

I dont know if any country has this system as legal, but Teosto / NCB has this in my opinion good thing in its contracts, that if I want to use a song that someone have made long ago, by default i need his permission to include in my record. However, if it happens to be that original copyright owner is one way or other lost (once again, bankrupt company, artist died...), then there is this vague clause that if i saw enough trouble in trying to get his concent for using his song in my recording, but i simply couldnt find him, then it is looked as if he had given me the permission to use his song.

I wonder if some country have established something like this into their legal system. It would be good system for games for example.

@Bugala

I dont have a problem with the site I was just asking ,

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@g01df1sh

Amiga OS stands for Amiga Open Source...so I guess it is ok to use the site :)

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@Bugala

>original copyright holders might have ceased to exist (bankrupt company)

In which case, there is of course no legal issue, as there would be no entity with standing to file any court action.

However, having looked at the site and tried downloading a game, it is definitely illegal as they don't have any Amiga games, they are actually serving malware instead of what they are claiming. Clicked the download link and it wanted to send me a 4Mb .exe file, presumably Windows malware. So to hell with donating anything to them or using that site at all.

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