Hey all,

I have some older hardware lying around and thought it might be cool to build a dedicated AROS machine. I've looked over the hardware requirements for the OS and noticed what seems to be the best overall Nvidia graphics card to use is the GTS 250, IMHO. Now if I were to opt for Radeon, which is also good, how much of a issue is it if there's no 3D support for AROS for these? I was also wondering if anyone out there had built their own system could please list what you used and if you ran into issues. Thanks.

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@edponpon

If you go with a Radeon, you won't even have 2D acceleration or be able to change resolution within the OS. You'll only have a VESA framebuffer with whatever resolutions the video BIOS gives you. Having said that, VESA can give a good experience for everyday tasks as long as your monitor's native resolution is supported.

Regarding other hardware, if you're lucky your onboard Ethernet and HDAudio may be supported. Otherwise, some PCI cards can fill the gap.

@ncafferkey

I remember the sad state of radeon but right now don't remember the motives behind it... it was lack of manpower or lack of support from gallium side?

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Manpower

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@ncafferkey

Amazing that AROS lacks Radeon support while OS4 lives on it. And also that AROS, an open source OS, fully supports NVidia hardware with 3d; yet OS4 supports squat! What a funny world.

@Hypex

Yes its perfect irony, NVidia is company that do not want to share code, they however provided a x86 binary blob you can compile into a driver.

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More like a coincidence. The AROS driver is based on nouveau, not a binary blob.

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I see its port of reversed engineered Linux NVidia drivers that Linux community has worked is distributing in with Linux in order to be allowed to distribute working drivers with out copyrighted material, this drivers are not as fast as the official NVidia drivers.

But it's lot of work no doubt.

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I really wish NVidia would compile their binary blob for AROS. I have no idea why they are not doing this already ;)

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There might not be the need.

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That was merely the framebuffer closed source driver at that point. :P

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A friend has Linux on his laptop and special hardware drivers come up if you look. There is a recommeneded NVidia drver but it is closed source and precompiled by NVidia. AFAICT.

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I'm pretty sure there where a binary blob that I was enable to compile or link it to kernel API, basically they did that because, then it was easier to keep up with all the different versions stuff, I guess.

http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVidia/nvidia-drivers

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That makes sense. It also means they can provide the best code while keeping it privatised.

@Hypex

Yes, and that is what they were doing, the limitations I believe is that you can only link in the binary blob into a x86 binary, so no PPC support.

"nouveau" is only option for none x86 systems.

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That makes sense. It also means they can provide the best code while keeping it privatised.

Yes, without leaking trade secrets and specially optimized code sequences, to the comparators.

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@Hypex

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Amazing that AROS lacks Radeon support while OS4 lives on it. And also that AROS, an open source OS, fully supports NVidia hardware with 3d; yet OS4 supports squat! What a funny world.

This would be "easily" fixed if someone took Gallium Radeon sources and ported them to AROS, as like as Deadwood did with Nvidia ones. Please don't forget AROS is driven by people initiative.

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Yep.
Imagine :
Someone buys a x1000 for 3000€

The same person could pay 3000 to a dev porting a driver.

Now think about what is better.

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I remember the sad state of radeon but right now don't remember the motives behind it... it was lack of manpower or lack of support from gallium side?

My personal guess is, since nvidia has the best working OpenGL drivers on linux (as long as you're on X86, that is), so perhaps some AROS devs decided to go with that for their current machines.

And as usualy, the "developers' system" is the first to be supported

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I really wish NVidia would compile their binary blob for AROS. I have no idea why they are not doing this already ;)

Considering they don't have public linux drivers for any other platform than X86 (which should be easy, compared to adapting them to Amiga-ish platform), I really cannot see that happening.

Of course there are open source nvidia drivers, for some of their newer GPU's. Those, however, are mostly aimed at embedded market.

Also (slightly offtopic), nvidia often cripples some of their drivers on purpose based on hardware price (like, disabling quad buffer rendering on anything but newer nvidia quadro gfx cards), regardless whether or not the hardware would be able to use the feature.

Actually the consumer & pro models are often so similar, it's possible to modify "consumer" model to "pro" one by soldering some resistors differently, or in some cases, simply modifying the firmware. Of course such "fixes" might well get "fixed" (to revert to lower performance / features) in future driver updates.

Well, guess it's one more reason to dislike nvidia...

(and yes, other manufacturers do similar artificial restrictions too)