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VAN Player for Amigas available at the indieGO!-Appstore
Posted on 21-Apr-2015 19:41:35
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Seems that the news item went to spam : p ...




A video showing it on a EEEPC 701:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KOxYbownhRY

VAN-Player is now available for all Amiga platforms. It is available at the indieGO!- Appstore
Clients are available here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7353

The VAN-Player is a result of one of our ongoing projects (Dance Dance Revolution clone and Silpheed Clone for Amigas). Both use Videos as background but because videos have a fixed resolution, they look bad on lager screens.. We thought to use "Vectors" to allow unlimited upscaling. Also I wanted a Bad Apple demo on AROS ; )

The VAN-Player has been done with Fabio Falcucci's HGUI.

So VAN (Vector Animation)-Format was born.
VAN's have the following advantages over pixel based movies:
- unlimited upscale without quality-loss
- small in size (similar to 480p h264)
- compressible
- platform independent because we used Hollywood
- realtime effects and overlays can be added during playtime without the need to re-encode (which would be needed for pixel based videos)

Besides playback of those VAN's you can also run a build-in Bad-Apple demo showing realtime effects and a benchmark to compare your amiga with others.

"vanplayer -demo 1" will execute the demo mode
"vanplayer -benchmark 1" will execute the benchmark and writes the results to a file called benchmark.txt

Of course you can also run a GUI player with "vanplayer" and load other VAN's (we will release some for testing)

A free encoder will follow (converting movies to VAN (b&w) only)
A commercial encoder with support for colored movies will follow as service included in AmiCloud.

..... respect if you have read this... : ) The first one who does a Video of VAN-Player working on AmigaOS, MorphOS or AROS will get 1000 indiecoins to spend in the App Store.

Van-Player is also part of Broadway Preview 2 which is available from the App Store as well.

Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 21-Apr-2015 at 07:45 PM.
Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 21-Apr-2015 at 07:42 PM.

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Re: VAN Player for Amigas available at the indieGO!-Appstore
Posted on 22-Apr-2015 6:43:07
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@phoenixkonsole

Interesting programme. Thanks for creating it and sharing the news.
How much is it?

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Posted on 22-Apr-2015 6:55:19
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@Xmas87

The player is free and comes with a sample "bad apple" van. The black and white encoder will be free as well.
Only if someone wants to create multicolor vans he would need to use a commercial service.
But this more interesting for professionals (cartoon movies)

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Posted on 22-Apr-2015 7:19:51
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@phoenixkonsole

I just retested your AppStore/OS4 since months.

"Open folder" in DLM doesn't work (tested with VAN player and a VAN sample movie, both downloaded in RAM Disk)

VAN Player works under OS4 (even if I don't know what are van movies)

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Posted on 22-Apr-2015 7:58:42
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@zzd10h
Thanks we will check this.

VAN codec allows to encode pixel based movies to vector based animations.
Vectors can be scaled up unlimited without the effect of pixelation.
VANs can contain a synced audio track or multiple ones (multilanguage)

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Posted on 22-Apr-2015 9:10:01
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BTW could you please try the Benchmark Feature?
I am curios how well the HW-Acceleration works.

to run the Benchmark just run it from Shell with:
"vanplayer -benchmark 1"

The results will be written to Benchmarks.txt

The tests will be run 1x without and 1x with HW-acceleration (2D).

Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 22-Apr-2015 at 09:10 AM.

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Posted on 22-Apr-2015 12:40:46
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Is this a custom format?



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Posted on 22-Apr-2015 12:55:48
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@broadblues
Yes.

We are working slowly on 2 games which uses FMV-Backgrounds.

One clone of Silpheed (SEGA CD) and one like Dance Dance Revolution.

The Problem with Pixel based Formats was that they have a fixed Resolution and so it looses Quality on higher Resolution Screens.

Vectors can scale down and up. The result was this "custom" Format.
The Encoder will allow to convert pixelbased Videos to vector based movies.

Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 22-Apr-2015 at 01:13 PM.

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Posted on 30-Jul-2015 20:57:42
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@phoenixkonsole
Here is another van animation to play with : )

http://www.indiego.rocks/file/downloadApp/fb2007c44dba6b1d565122fe138016f9

A direct link to the os4 van player and benchmark tool

http://www.indiego.rocks/file/downloadApp/6dc5630611f1b6fb3f8a24ae96875af1

"vanplayer -demo 1" will execute the demo mode (famous bad apple demo with some realtime effects applied)
"vanplayer -benchmark 1" will execute the benchmark and writes the results to a file called benchmark.txt 

I could need some beenchmark results because we plan on using this for a game

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Posted on 31-Jul-2015 0:45:37
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SVGA LIBRARY BENCHMARKS
-----------------------

Date : 31-Jul-2015 00:36:10
File : BadAppleDemo.van
HARDWARE ACCELERATION OFF
Frame time : 44.058411925768ms
Background : 1.2649832774171ms
Next Frame : 0.00456344170064ms
Rendering : 42.767569222047ms
HARDWARE ACCELERATION ON

White window with a few flashes of black shapes. followed by a solid black window then I got an error message saying hardware brushes can't be used.

Shell output:

> vanplayer -benchmark 1
::: SVGA Library Benchmarks :::

HARDWARE ACCELERATION OFF
BENCHMARK 1 : Frame rendering + solid background...
Frame time : 44.058411925768ms
: 22.697141278829fps

BENCHMARK 2a : Solid background (cached)...
BENCHMARK 2b : Animation handler...
BENCHMARK 2c : Animation drawing...
Background : 1.2649832774171ms
: 790.524284275fps
Next Frame : 0.00456344170064ms
: 219132.85314021
Rendering : 42.767569222047ms
: 23.382203342164ms


HARDWARE ACCELERATION ON
BENCHMARK 1 : Frame rendering + solid background...
>

X1000 RadeonHD 5450.

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Posted on 31-Jul-2015 7:03:49
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@Severin

Hi can you please try
vanplayer -benchmark -hardware 0 ?

If you run
Vanplayer
Does lt Launch ?
Can you Click in the folder Symbol and Chose the Bad Apple Animation?

By default if you run only "vanplayer" lt doesnt use hw acceleration and i Hope will work everywhere.

To enable hardware acceleration you can run
Vanplayer -hardware 1
But it may not work everywhere

The benchmark again tests both by default... (For now )

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Posted on 31-Jul-2015 9:54:31
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How do one make VAN animations? Can one import SVG or maybe even EVA?

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Posted on 31-Jul-2015 10:17:26
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A Encoder will follow. A van-builder which works with svg material is done already and will be released soon but the interesting part is the vectorizing of existing Pixel based formats..
Problem is for now that Color Videos take ages to be converted (something i would like to offer via Amicloud .. to Close the circle).

A core2duo 2.53GHZ takes 3 days to convert a full movie(90min) to full Color van.
Reminds me to the days where I converted DVD's to svcd : ) 15years ago on a Gen1 Pentium 3..

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Posted on 31-Jul-2015 13:07:06
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Everything works fine with vanplayer -benchmark -hardware 0 and using the default. although the -benchmark option didn't do anything.

one annoying little bug...

I left it running on workbench screen to flip to my ibrowse screen to type this and when the anim finished the Van playback window opened on the ibrowse (frontmost) screen. I had to go back to workbench and quit the player to get rid of it.

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@Severin
Thank you : )
Will be added to the list.

So Benchmark doesnt't work at all with ATI HD Driver (without HW acceleration or with)...

I believe that we still try to execute HW-acceleration even with "-Hardware 0" during Benchmark..

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benchmark works only if it's the only argument...

VanPlayer -benchmark -hardware 0 :- doesn't benchmark
VanPlayer -hardware 0 -benchmark :- doesn't benchark
VanPlayer -benchmark :- benchmark works

Edit:

What system are you ising for hardware accelleration? I have no idea what hollywood uses now, I only have V4.7. For the OS4 build comopsiting would be best as you only need 2D rendering and it works on all NG hardware.

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Just tried it works well on X1000, frame rate looks acceptable; I noticed it uses a bit of CPU power.

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And a version for MorphOS, because it is made with Hollywood.

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: )
In exchange for aros builds of your apps? ; )
All Builds are available at the indiego AppStore but I will share public files as well later.

About the CPU usage we plan to use OpenGL next time to let the gpu do the work.

EDIT:
Here is the link to the MorphOS Version (untested)
http://indiego.rocks/file/downloadApp/af028fede4de2ade6d2eeb54403085f7

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