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klx300r 
Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 12-Apr-2017 22:21:48
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from Locutus over at EAB:
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Well.... http://picasso96.tabt.de/

Its something, lets see what comes of this....

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sounds like great news to me

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 12-Apr-2017 22:44:57
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@klx300r

"After a 15 year hiatus without measureable progress"...we sold it to a company with a history of years of barely measurable progress and another company run by a well known Amiga eccentric.

Sure, "great news".

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 12-Apr-2017 23:24:12
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Should we put up bets on for how long it will take for this to blow up in their faces? I suppose another silly flame war is due :)

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wawa 
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Posted on 12-Apr-2017 23:29:52
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incidentally this happens just as hardware designers start to deliver fpga based rtg solutions for amiga.

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iggy 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 12-Apr-2017 23:35:17
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@wawa

My thought exactly.
Like "Lets TRY to make it harder on the Apollo team...".
As IF Gunnar and Jens could negotiate a deal.
Sheesh.

@kolla

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I suppose another silly flame war is due


But of course, flame on.

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Posted on 12-Apr-2017 23:44:03
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@klx300r

Thanx for posting this nice bit of news.

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Posted on 12-Apr-2017 23:46:28
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@wawa

FPGA solutions for Amiga are awesome too! Competition is a great thing and drives innovation!

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iggy 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
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@DiscreetFX

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Competition is a great thing and drives innovation!


Optimistic, but when one of the parties involved has a history of buying up assets to make them unavailable...

And cooperation can drive innovation as well.

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Acill 
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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 0:46:33
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No way in hell is this a move to help continue its development. Its a direct block to the FPGA RTG cards and the Apollo team. Both directly compete with them and have real new hardware utilizing it, as well as Elbox and UAE. You watch, it will be pulled from Aminet and cease and desist notice will go out any day now.

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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 1:14:28
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@Acill

Well, with the offchance this goes badly, Im sure Im not the only one that just downloaded Picasso96 again just to make sure they have the old version on their harddrive

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Acill 
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@Overflow

Nope, I did as qell and just got the last unofficial release too.

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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 1:47:13
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@Acill

Maybe a little calm restraint is in order.

From Gunnar at Apollo:
No effect.
The Vampire cards use 100% legal driver which can be continued to be used.
Also future improvements of this driver and like for example Speed tunings and or usage of AMMX are not affected by this.

We look forward to see that P96 as package after so many years of no development might be developed again.

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klx300r 
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@Signman

great news as I finally got notice and sent my payment in for my Vampire 500+ These last few years with hardware/ software development have been the best

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@Signman

I would love to be wrong, in fact I hope I am. I just find it incredibly hard to believe that two of the largest competing entities to the recent hardware development just bought the framework that the video systems are built on.

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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 2:46:36
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@Acill

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I just find it incredibly hard to believe that two of the largest competing entities to the recent hardware development just bought the framework that the video systems are built on.


Well, Picasso96 was created to circumvent the need for Frank Mariak's CybergraphX software, and in some ways it was inferior to that package.

And the thing is, its not really needed.

As has been pointed out, the Apollo team can just design their own driver software.
Sure,Picasso96 could have been useful, but its hardly necessary.

No more necessary than it was to convince Frank to share CybergraphX V5.
Or for MorphOS or AROS to adopt Reaction.

Its a little like the obsessive focus on Warp3D compatible video drivers. If you notice, all MorphOS video drivers after the R200 series shed this legacy.

Some of you want to keep retreading this old crap when we could just move on. And this ain't the first time that has happened for sure.

My take on the whole thing? Let 'em freakin' have it.

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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 3:08:03
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@klx300r

Wow! That's interesting. I'm happy that there is some chance it will come out of limbo now. Although I find it curious that Hyperion is part of this, as I thought the news told us a while back that a new driver API was going native into the graphics.library itself, without need for anoutside driver library. I don't know what that was to be though, and I never received a reply to my inquiries about it for quite a while, then forgot about it. Hopefully it will no longer be a secret SDK, and people can make drivers for it as they like.

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@iggy

I have to agree, but my point isnt to keep P96 as it is more to point out the damn continued greed they have shown. Before the new hardware using it they could have cared less. I would much rather see something new.

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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 3:36:27
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@Acill

THAT does seem to be the focus, greed.
And like I said, Picasso96 wasn't that original.

Its a CybergraphX knockoff.

Screw it, its hardly necessary.

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Daedalus 
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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 9:18:39
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@billt

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billt wrote:

Wow! That's interesting. I'm happy that there is some chance it will come out of limbo now.

Absolutely. There haven't been any updates since I installed P96 on my A1200 in 2002 or 2003, so there wasn't much hope of it suddenly springing back into life. Even if nothing more comes of it from this purchase, it's not like the existing version we all have already is going to suddenly stop working. My A1200 with RTG still works just as well today as it did yesterday (I presume, since I haven't actually switched it on today :-p ).

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Although I find it curious that Hyperion is part of this, as I thought the news told us a while back that a new driver API was going native into the graphics.library itself, without need for anoutside driver library.

Yep, that is the case since OS4.1FE - P96 is now integrated into graphics.library instead of patched over the top. But it still uses the Picasso96 driver system for supporting different cards, so there's more to it than just the core graphics patches.

From Hyperion's point of view at least this makes a little sense security-wise: owning the rights to P96 means they can't be sold to someone else who might not like the idea of it being used in OS4 for whatever reason and thus pulls the rug from under them. This buys the security that that can't happen. Individual is a little less clear, but it is likely the case that Jens has some video hardware in development and this is a similar move - to stop another party blocking his development.

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Hopefully it will no longer be a secret SDK, and people can make drivers for it as they like.

Yeah, that's the thing, in order to develop graphics card drivers, the SDK was already commercial, so it's not like they're taking away something that was freely available. Again, it can't really be worse than that, and maybe it'll even improve by becoming cheaper, or even free. Let's wait and see before we go running for those well-used pitchforks.

Well, while this might be a strange move to some, it's been talked about for a while, and at the end of the day for me it's mostly a *shrug* thing. The world will still revolve; life goes on. It's just something else for the Amiga community to get absolutely enraged about, and we all know being enraged is the most important aspect of the hobby for many Amigans... Who knows, maybe it'll be a good thing, because instead of leaning on a creaking, old system designed to cater for 2D graphics cards of the '90s, a bunch of these angry people can club together and develop a modern replacement that's based around today's graphics cards. There's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from doing that, so have at it! Maybe even open source it so the whole community can benefit. I'll suggest "Monet17" as a project name to get you started

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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 10:07:48
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@iggy

good for aros I would say...

Comment from Gunnar sounds like politicians speech or news from a big company. I am more sceptical about both new owners and what they will do... We will see

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