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clusteruk 
Building Aros machines from scrap computers
Posted on 4-Sep-2017 19:34:07
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Building Aros based Amiga's using machines that would be considered scrap if running windows. Running Aros apps including OpenGL games and Amiga 68k software very fast including Mac emulator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttylXRD1S1I

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJchPfJgaxk

Part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCs9lysH5IM

Steve

Last edited by clusteruk on 22-Sep-2017 at 06:21 PM.
Last edited by clusteruk on 12-Sep-2017 at 11:33 AM.

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@clusteruk

Great video. I Hope ot will help to onboard more developers and users.

Just out of curiosity, you were referring to an X86 add on being developed to run AmigaOS on the X86 ... was that by any change the (mythological) "pentatrator" ?

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clusteruk 
Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers
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@IridiumFX

It was the PCI Amiga card which is a sad story all on its own.

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@clusteruk

Can I ask you to tell that tale in a video? Given the recent posts, even on this forum, it may be relevant to say what can be done, how could it be achieved and which limits won't overcome.

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clusteruk 
Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers
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@IridiumFX

I have considered telling the full story but it was a very dark time for me, caused the break up of my marriage and nearly tipped me over the edge.

If there is proper interest then I will tell it.

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Amiga4000 
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Posted on 5-Sep-2017 16:05:30
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@clusteruk

Interest declared...

But not at the expense of any more sorrow!

Dang! Sorry about your marriage.

BTW, yes, there are so many old Pentium motherboards (ASUS) that can fit the bill for fun retro machines. I LOVE my ASUS DOS machine!

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dommer416 
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@clusteruk

Off-Topic a little, but are you aware of Amithlon?

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clusteruk 
Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers
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@dommer416

Yes I have been aware of Amithlon for a long time, but I like Aros as it is actually ported OS3.1 to other platforms rather than emulation/VM

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EDanaII 
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Ah, but the real tragedy of Amithlon is that it could have allowed AROS to be written from the inside out.

I mean, seriously, imagine the AROS devs doing there development inside Amithlon, slowly replacing all of Amithlon's internals until the only thing left was the 68k emulation. That would have been awesome. :)

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intangybles 
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@clusteruk

To add to all the other projects.. I am going to give a little old Dell Mini 10V I have.

More inspiration every day to be found around here

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intangybles 
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@EDanaII

aaaahhhh... to dream!

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Mazze 
Re: Building Aros machines from scrap computers
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@EDanaII

AROS wasn't created to be a patch set for Amiga OS 3. The original meaning of AROS was "Amiga Replacement OS".

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clusteruk 
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@Mazze

Absolutley, Aros is the poject that Amigan's should get behind because it is also the best chance for an open Amiga future on hardware we can all afford with performance we crave but do not need

There is room for all especially my A1000 but having been away for a couple of years due to getting married, buying a house and work, Aros now is just amazing especially with the latest Icaros.

My next video is showing what kind of machine you can buid with Aros for the money of an A1222 and the kind of performance you can expect, off the charts is the phrase you can expect.

Perhaps if you can get to the SWAG meeting at the end of the month you can see it

Steve

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EDanaII 
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@ Mazze

I've been following AROS since the start, Mazze, I know what it is, so that was never my point. :)

My point was that *if* AROS developers had started with Amithlon as a foundation, where would we be today? As I recall, Amithlon was able to execute BOTH x86 and 68k instruction sets, so, if AROS developers had slowly replaced all of the 68k AmigaOS with x86 equivalents, we'd have an OS capable of running on the latest hardware (Anubis/Arix, anyone?), capable of emulating the older programs while running the recompiled versions.

Of course, we all know what a train-wreck Amithlon turned out to be. It, plus Gateway, was Amiga's last best hope for a future. After that, all was lost.

An AROS /Amithlon fusion would also have had the advantage of preserving the user base (the die-hards, anyway) by having kept them active over the years. Bless Steve for evangelizing AROS, I'll never fault him for that, but the task would be so much easier if the user base could have been supported all these years and such a fusion would have done exactly that.

Just my two cents...

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Mazze 
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@EDanaII

WinUAE and Amithlon kept my interest in Amiga alive after 1997. On FS-UAE I'm using currently the Kickstart from my Amiga 500 and the OS from Amithlon.

(I'm telling what you likely already know) The main development of AROS happened on i386 for technical reasons: fast, cheap and you can run AROS hosted in the GDB debugger. Only in the recent years the m68k port got more attention. Amithlon was released in 2001 when even the i386 port was almost unusable.

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EDanaII 
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WinUAE and Amithlon kept my interest in Amiga alive after 1997. On FS-UAE I'm using currently the Kickstart from my Amiga 500 and the OS from Amithlon.


Actually, this begs a question from me: you're using the base Linux OS from Amithlon to run FS-UAE? That's curious. Does it give you any advantages over any other Linux variant?

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(I'm telling what you likely already know) The main development of AROS happened on i386 for technical reasons: fast, cheap and you can run AROS hosted in the GDB debugger. Only in the recent years the m68k port got more attention. Amithlon was released in 2001 when even the i386 port was almost unusable.


Yep. And all of this applied to Amithlon too. Which is why I'm suggesting it, because it's exactly what I was thinking when Amithlon came out. And the "train wreck" occurred...

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Mazze 
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@EDanaII

Quote:

EDanaII wrote:

Actually, this begs a question from me: you're using the base Linux OS from Amithlon to run FS-UAE? That's curious. Does it give you any advantages over any other Linux variant?


No, I'm running FS-UAE unter Lubuntu 17.04. I haven't used Amithlon for over 10 years.

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Posted on 10-Sep-2017 20:16:00
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@clusteruk

Absolutely, you can get a heck of a lot of the "amiga" experience for nothing, or next to with AROS.
My current AROS machine cost me $100aud (about $75usd) + some spare parts I had from pcs that have since been upgraded/replaced.
For my tastes this performance is handy. Software such as Dosbox, uae, mplayer, ffplay/ffmpeg, odyssey, mame, supermodel (Im a bit of a Daytona USA, Sega Rally, Virtua Fighter, etc. fan), AROSPDF, 3d rpg maker, gcc, and assorted classic titles like vista pro, imagine, lightwave and brilliance all feature heavily on my usage list. These are all bits of software that appreciate as much grunt as you can give them.

A 4ghz i5-760/4 gig ddr3@1866mhz/1 gig gf9600gt, is hardly cutting edge these days, but for $100 it gives me an "amiga experience" like no other.

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intangybles 
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@clusteruk

Looking forward to the next Aros adventure! Just a quick note to say how impressed I have been with the Linux hosted support now present! I have had great success in running it (with 32bit libraries loaded) on an i7 64bit Linux box! It all seems to be very functional and I have set it up to boot full screen on startup, you almost don't even notice the Linux..

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clusteruk 
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Part two is now ready

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJchPfJgaxk

Part three in a week or two.

Steve

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