@Mikey_C

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Mikey_C wrote: @mailman Typical, always coming in half ####ed. Right, just for your special benefit, we took the 20 questions, I sat on them for a while, cause my outside Amiga life got in the way. (Apologies, unemployment, etc) then Alan went away to the far east this May, is back later on towards the end of May, he will look at the questions on his return and reply back here as soon as he is able to. So, I would expect sometime middle of June. Okay?

Why such a anrgy/hostile reply? he only asked a question.. I doubt you would get these kinds of questions, if you had posted maybe a news update about the delays or something..

@ikir

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ALAN THE COMUNITY NEED COMUNICATION!!!!!!!!!!

Aargh ! "You turned negative again !"



@MikeB

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Yes, but he probably needs to consult his partners too.

Yes, I think this also... and he hope to aquire new elements maybe...


It can be the only reason...

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@Tomas

Problem is I have!

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@poweramiga2002

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poweramiga2002 wrote: @mailman Allan who ? wasent he in the amiga scene many moons ago and was last seen on a deserted island where he was uncontactable

Hmmm! He wasn't on this flight, was he?

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@vortexau

flight!?! . . .naaaa. BBC News reported today, that he is still swimming at half the ocean. No money for a fly ticket

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@vortexau

I think he is visiting the station, look here:

http://www.strafe.com/2001/Station.html

Link to the site is : http://www.strafe.com/2001/


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@Dirk-B,

Ah - but THAT is why we never achieved that level of space flight . . . .


Pan Am went bust!


"Row for your life, Alan!"

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@Mikey_C
I must have missed it then..

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mailman wrote: When the interview is going to be conducted (if ever)?

Hi mailman,


We might get the interview with the Friedens before the 20 answers?


Man, it's worse than when I was waiting for parts 2 and 3 of "The Lord of the Rings" movies!!!!

Includes AOS4.0 final, also!!!!!


But what can I do? I want a real OS, so I sit, wait, and perspire that all my boasts come true!

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Hmmmm, doesn't MAI know that people want a back plate?

Then they should buy a tower with one in it.

The standard ATX one fits perfectly well, apart from one video connector which can be a bit tight depending on the quality of the backplate. So you take a Stanley Knife and scrape 2 millimetres off the hole if you need to. Big deal.

The profit margin on the µA1-C is very low - so low in fact that I'm worried about dealers (including me) being able to survive on it. By rights it should be a lot more expensive, just for the luxury of having an interchangeable CPU. Eyetech gives you one hell of a present and you all immediately start criticising.

If people are wondering why A1 dealers have deserted this forum and why I resigned as moderator, so as not to have to read this sort of uninformed whining all the time, look no further than your own attitudes.

You are marginalising yourselves.

This is my last post on AW.

I actually think it is quite sad that we need to wait for an interview.

All questions should have been answered long time ago by Eyetech if they want to appear like a serious company with support you can trust.

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@anarchic_teapot

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The profit margin on the µA1-C is very low - so low in fact that I'm worried about dealers (including me) being able to survive on it. By rights it should be a lot more expensive, just for the luxury of having an interchangeable CPU. Eyetech gives you one hell of a present and you all immediately start criticising.

The original SE had a soldered in CPU, and got criticised only on places like ANN where the Pegasos was seen as 'superior' because it had a cpu slot ( then it turned out you couldn't change the CPU on the Pegasos due to faults in the Pegasos design ).

The XE then came with a CPU slot, as the next Teron design. There have, as far as I can see, been no CPU modules for any of us to buy to upgrade with. This may have never been the intent but it makes the CPU slot a bit of a frivilous folly with hindsight, about as useful as the one on the Pegasos.

The uA1c also comes with a CPU slot, ( slot wrong word but who is nitpicking )


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If people are wondering why A1 dealers have deserted this forum ---- snip --- so as not to have to read this sort of uninformed whining all the time, look no further than your own attitudes.

Is this an official statement on behalf of the AmigaONE Dealers Union as represented by Rose Humphreys? That even in a playingfield such as AW.net the 'A1 dealers' cannot hack the flack?

Fortunately I know of at least two dealers who do not have that attitude, whether they continue to post on aw.net or not is yet to be seen. But if indeed they are rolling down the portcullis and drawing up the drawbridge and hiding behind the moat and not engaging with their existing customers and potential customers I would say its game over for them wouldn't you?

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You are marginalising yourselves.

In the world of consumer power, the consumers aren't the ones marginalising themselves now are they?

I personally think petulance is the last thing a serious businessperson should resort to with the customerbase, despite adversity, lets hope the remaining A1 dealers who aren't in agreement come forward don't have the same wilful attitude and get stuck in and involved in engaging with the part of the community ( of which the same amount again as have already bought want to buy when AmigaOS4 is officially finished according to the polls ) take the lions share of the sales that result.

Remember consumers, its the EU, you can buy from anywhere within the EU, you don't have to stick with the dealer closest to you, in fact it probably makes little difference to customer service unless they are actually in your homw town.

For some its a business opportunity, for others its going to confirm their worst fears, that they can't sell their stock, partly because of their attitude on the forums.

@All

I know they are missing out on sales i have 7 friends who were going to get the A1 xe when it was released with fixes done they now have gone else where ( mac )
so will no longer be buying the Amiga they also knew ppl who were waiting for them to get A1,s but have also goe over to the mac

we are loosing potential customers in a big way how many others know ppl who were interested but have now gone else where ?

Alan you need to speek up before its to late !!!!!!!

@poweramiga2002

I dont think Alan speaking up will change that many peoples points of view. This is just my opinion mind. Those that want to get on the AmigaOS4 train are either waiting for it to be released before deciding OR seeing if different hardware more suitable to their purposes comes along ( such as an add on card to a creating old Amiga, or something 'faster' that they can play the specs game with ), or maybe something slow and dirt cheap.

@Wiffy

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I dont think Alan speaking up will change that many peoples points of view.

Yes, a few comments on the web forum won't make much difference, but the Amiga does have to be 'pushed' in some sort of way.

I bought my A1XE as a direct result of the full page, exciting and informative adverts and regular reports by Alan in Total Amiga magazine. Everything 'appears' to have gone dead now - I wouldn't buy a new Amiga in the present climate.

@All

I agree with everything said here, but here is a thought
that has always been with me since early 2003:

In the beginning when the SE's came out there where
lots of people who where complaining abouth the soldered
cpu and abouth the cpu that was outdated. Now, if everybody
had bouth SE's for the last 2.5 years i am sure that the price
would have come down and that the bugs where sorted faster.
And i am also sure that the OS4 would have been in a more
finished state that it is now.

But ok that is not the way it has gone, so lets make the best
of the situation as it is now. I am sure that the hardware will
get another update somewhere in time, but let us focus on the
OS4 for now and on additional software for it. Just my 2 cents.

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@RedMelons

I agree, but I think running away from the forums, like has just happenned above, is a serious strategic and tactical error.

Either the remaining dealers need to get together with the users and usergroups to create content on the 101 exciting things you can do with an AmigaONE with AmigaOS4 *NOW* or just give up.

You cannot run, develop or maintain a business by not engaging with customers and the customerbase - that is a FAR more serious problem that a few bon mots from Alan being absent.

I wouldn't say everythings gone pessimistic, but I DO think the goodwill of the users that would engage in that kind of activity is being sapped, and without something like that, even those who have been waiting for the final release are going to say 'exactly what are we buying into?' because its a hobby, and not a commodity, at this point in time.

( Not actually disagreeing with you, more sort of elaborating my thoughts )

@Wiffy

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I agree, but I think running away from the forums, like has just happenned above, is a serious strategic and tactical error.

I think a time out is in order in this particular case.

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@Wiffy

the guys that were waiting for the A1 were expecting new boards with harware probs fixed but got too disgusted over the non comunication as to what was being done

in the end gave up and recon we havent got a chance of getting anywhere when our computer company dosent even give out explanations or any idea weather fixes will be done etc

they went from interested enough to but to ill never buy one now

they now recon im crazy sticking with it and amiga will never exist again

i fear they have missed the boat

@tomazkid

Sure, but the implication was that all the A1 dealers are giving up on engaging with the customer base on the forums. This, if its true, is rather serious. Now I hate to sound arrogant but to give up on a large site means either you have to start engaging on another site and build that up or you are not engaging at all.

Whether the presence of the A1 dealers and people involved in AmigaOS4 is the reason for the 3000 odd members and 6000 odd visitors a day popping into the site or not, the site itself nor its members have done anything to annoy the A1 dealers and if the dealers can't engage on a site that is overtly pro AmigaOS4 when the pendulum of public opinion swings, it leaves me rather worried as to what plan, if this is true, they have instead.

You see if they aren't here marketing their wares, and no one else is advocating for them and Eyetech is more focussed on industrial/commercial sales and product development then exactly what is this going to do to the marketplace?

Sure we have the odd attention seeker ranting on about how they are going to be selling the AmigaONE because it doesnt run Microsoft Word and Paint Shop Pro hoping that everyone else is going to invest hours in making them feel better and trying to persaude them not to, you get that everywhere. But these people tend to taint themselves and any valid points they have that are negative and offputting about the marketplace tend to get swamped by their own self-destructive credibility drop.

Besides that, there have been geniune issues with the boards, finger pointing and blame aside, and there are fixes for it, some aren't satisfied with that and some are. Some use it to further their own agenda, some have a genuine point. But we can all read all this and come to our own conclusions I reckon and see what the truth of the matter is, and the truth is that we are reliant on the dealers and Hyperion but they are absolutely reliant on the userbase.

If they lose userbase goodwill, they lose everything related to the project, if we lose dealer/Hyperion goodwill then we lose a hell of a lot grant you, but its not the end of the world, its just the end of a potentially interesting chapter in the Amigas history and probably the last.

Im not suggesting that Hyperion and the dealers should be kissing arse, in fact I think the Hyperion representation over AmigaOS4 has been spot on. But I think the AmigaONE side of things has caused a geniune issue and if some of the Dealers ( and its not their fault, I know, but that really doesnt come into it ) put their heads together with some of the users to try and turn this around so that considering the package, warts and all, people who might actually DO buy into the package, then we all benefit.

Leaving it up to the users alone isn't going to work, we all have different levels of stake in the success ( or non failure ) of the project.

Note - I do not actually believe this is anything other than a walk out of one person, GuruMeditation for example advertises on this board directly and other dealers seem to have logged in and posted recently, but I'd like to hear it confirmed

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