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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 11-Sep-2006 20:39:03
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What about deleting this thread? |
I'm not keen on deleting threads, especially threads this long. I'll however strongly consider to lock it soon, since this thread seems to have served it's purpose._________________ Site admins are people too..pooff! |
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 11-Sep-2006 20:57:01
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Heh! I see you understand my example. Here's another post I have linked to previously from May of this year from Rogue concerning his absolute belief: Quote:
As I said before, there are a number of running projects; some of them I follow quite closely and have a lot of faith in them. I don't even doubt that the Troika board will come out. |
Note the "no doubt".
If links we post concerning the "positive" information in threads gets tossed out strictly because of the "negative" information in the -same- threads, we would all suffer the consequences of having to explain what happened to this info and these links.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 11-Sep-2006 21:03:04
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Those consequences... a nightmare...
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 11-Sep-2006 21:53:28
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LOL. So many people (inc Hyperion!) were wise to your obvious hoax (the PPC processor was not even compatible with OS4) |
@mr.calibra who said Quote:
Rouge told the tread that OS4 worked on PPC405 so you are telling the truth |
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Jepp, Listen to mr.calibra you should. AmigaOS 4.0 has been ported to the 405 CPU. |
You are taking my comment out of context! Here is Rogue's quote that I was refering to: Quote:
- You claim to be booting OS 4 on a hardware with a 405 CPU, using the G3/G4 kernel (which is the only one released), which is technically impossible because these CPU's have totally different MMU's and no FPU. |
So it is perfectly valid to make an aside saying "the PPC processor was not even compatible with OS4", when the OS4 in question was the publically available G3/G4 version._________________ Author of the PortablE programming language. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue... |
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 0:42:07
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However I do concede that Troika is a far superior hoax, primarily because they have not claimed to have an OS4 related product yet have still managed to generate OS4-related interest. |
I dont think you honestly believe Troika is a hoax. I dont quite understand why you want to bad mouth the project.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 1:06:25
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It seems like half these guys just want to twist words to support trollish arguments, and bad mouth anything red.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 1:22:54
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Besides, one of the Friedens has very recently said that the Troika board is not a hoax. I think some people have very selective memories...
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 2:10:49
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I think some people have very selective memories...
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I think their quotes are carefully planned and chosen by a higher authority so as to stir up as much mud and obscurity as possible. The optimism/pessimism cycle generated by the deliberate hoaxes reminds me of the sort of trick the ANN crowd played a couple of years ago. This latest hoax, no doubt generated by remnants of the blue camp, has generated far too much discussion for its credibility. The negativity added by the blue trolls has only increased the amount of discussion, as their leader no doubt intended.
It has now finished with a passing swipe at AI (just because they can and no one will be able to question it).
Pity we can't get rid of a few of them permanently.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 3:26:20
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Good to see that the community won't run out of paranoia anytime soon ......
And no, the Friedens believing in Troika isn't the strongest "proove" for it to be no hoax, the fact that hoaxes are supposed to look real is
I mean it's surely us "blue trolls" that make Troika break any of their promises, we are resposnible for them dodging any question bout aquiring a licence. And it's BB himself who ghostwrites all their absurd PR and one-sentence-teaser.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 3:51:59
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I like you Kronos, you're a realist. I'll agree that Troika's PR so far has been bad. But they've mentioned that they were burned by a contractor, and their plan B contractor has had to work on the project in his spare time. Also, they've mentioned theres "26 NDAs" he has to bear in mind before releasing details on their project in forums. Those two factors combined would make things tough. I reckon we should see what they have to say at BigBash4. Also, it will be interesting to see what Amiga Inc have to say on the "amiga.org 25 questions" too. I'm hoping those two events can clear the air for us.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 5:34:44
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 5:42:14
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I think their quotes are carefully planned and chosen by a higher authority so as to stir up as much mud and obscurity as possible.
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It must have been Queen Elisabeth.
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The optimism/pessimism cycle generated by the deliberate hoaxes reminds me of the sort of trick the ANN crowd played a couple of years ago.
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Indeed, AmiJoe, EscenaPPC, ViperPPC, Boxer... now those the same hoaxes came here with Richard R.
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This latest hoax, no doubt generated by remnants of the blue camp, has generated far too much discussion for its credibility. The negativity added by the blue trolls has only increased the amount of discussion, as their leader no doubt intended.
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Ok, let's get serious for a moment. OS4 has been without hardware more than 18 months now and things started to look grim 24 months ago. No new hardware has been released since advent of mA1. Troika promised a board last year yet we still havent seen any and you can only wish they have something in the next year. It is already too late to get it released this year. While ACK seems serious and competent about their project it is already halfway to October. Soon it is halfway to November, then December and oops, new year. Then there is Samantha but it probably is slower than your current setup. But maybe it doesnt cost a fortune and selling before a judgement day.
And you write this mysterious blue camp is stirring up trouble and adding negativity... oh well.
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Funny that they are always coming from Amiga community.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 6:16:53
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Indeed, AmiJoe, EscenaPPC, ViperPPC, Boxer... now those the same hoaxes came here with Richard R. |
I think we have different interpretations of what a hoax is. A hoax is something made up. Those projects were real. The development on them was real. They were just never finished.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 6:31:25
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I think what Tonyw means is that some "blue campers" only post in hardware for OS4 threads with trollish negative remarks all the time. Why only in those threads?
This is of course not organised by BBRV! It's absurd to think he would spend his time doing this.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 6:33:00
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Indeed! Seems like some people should learn english prehaps?
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 7:05:21
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I'll however strongly consider to lock it soon, since this thread seems to have served it's purpose |
So true. As a side note, I don't like seing people wasting their time like this. I always think they could help the community in the meanwhile _________________ Philippe 'Elwood' Ferrucci Sam460 1.10 Ghz AmigaOS 4 betatester Amiga Translator Organisation |
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 7:43:36
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I think we have different interpretations of what a hoax is. A hoax is something made up. Those projects were real. The development on them was real. They were just never finished.
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Like made up stories that Escena can deliver: people was told not to buy Phase5 boards and suddenly Escena disappears. Dealers sink because of no hardware sales and users despair. What if ACK and Samantha projects flop because users are waiting for Troika and Troika fails to deliver? It is dangerous. I remember how difficult it was to get rid of last Peg1's in mid 2003 because Peg2 was 'around a corner'. These things can ruin a company.
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 7:56:56
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Please begin to round up your conclusions,this thread will be locked later today. _________________ Site admins are people too..pooff! |
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 7:58:50
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I don't think there's any danger of that happening now. Whoever comes up with hardware first will get the lion's share of sales (ie most people who've been waiting years for hardware, are not going to wait an unknown amount of time for the other company to come up with something to compare against). I think both Adam and Troika realize this, which is why every time one of them pops up with news the other quickly releases some info too. I suspect the Samantha deal caught them both by surprise though
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Re: New PowerPC Platform for OS4 Posted on 12-Sep-2006 8:06:25
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Good to see that the community won't run out of paranoia anytime soon ......
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Is it totally unresonable to suspect that in some cases there could be some kind of organized effort from the extremist part of the blue side? Sometimes, it really seems like that. Anyway, whatever the truth is, the fact is that blue trollism litters virtually everything here, making the blue trolls look much more paranoid. They seem to be always ready to seize any chance to shoot. Just look at the who wrote the first post of this thread and what he said. He could have written other smarter comments, but, no, he *had* to troll. Who's to blame? Who is attacked in his own home (AW.net), or who attacks?
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Huh? No they aren't.
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Plain and simple. No "IMO", no "I believe", no "I think". It seems that you preferred to stick to a much older quote where he says "I believe".
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