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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 27-Apr-2007 0:01:54
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 27-Apr-2007 1:43:45
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The arena itself looks like a worthwhile project and hopefully will get good use, as listed in the article. Some similar public facilities here in Japan have fallen on hard times as it turns out they were oversold to the public and then faced the grim reality of insufficient actual need, higher than expected costs, inconvenient location, and so on. But of course it all depends on the local situation. I spent a summer near Issaquah back in my college days setting cables on logs to clear a pipeline right-of-way, and it was a real nice area (though we were advised to keep our Oregon license plates muddy -- something about potential friction with hometown competitors for the job, I guess ).
Hopefully all will go well, and the "unexpected funding source" anticipated from Amiga, Inc. will actually materialize or, if not, the project won't take a significant hit.
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 27-Apr-2007 14:47:49
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Added your links as well as a few general entries on the Kent City website. City Council Meetings slated for May 1 and May 15, 2007. (mentioned on the home page link in post #1)
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 27-Apr-2007 15:52:56
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Thanks about quotes. Have to say, that pretty big mouth they have, for company who is nohw-nosw mode.
Exept if they surprise us all (or at least me) and they don't came up blank. Everything is possible, but I believe, when I can buy... |
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 28-Apr-2007 8:56:31
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| @mlehto Just to clarify, the quotes (more or less accurate) are the words of the mayor of Kent and another individual in the city government describing Amiga, Inc. and what the company has done and intends to do, not the words of Bill McEwen. So this is the picture that Bill McEwen painted for the Kent people, and they accepted.
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 28-Apr-2007 17:35:52
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Agenda for: Quote:
Kent City Council Meeting May 1, 2007, 7:00 p.m. |
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7. OTHER BUSINESS A. Amiga Center at Kent |
Source: http://www.ci.kent.wa.us/citycouncil/agenda.asp
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 29-Apr-2007 16:01:28
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http://www.ci.kent.wa.us/kenttv21/online.asp
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We're broadcasting City Council meetings live on the Internet. |
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 30-Apr-2007 2:00:05
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....as the company ascends to grandeur.
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 1-May-2007 12:58:51
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 1-May-2007 13:02:12
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And Amiga, Inc., a multi-media technology company based in New York, will pay $10 million over 20 years for the naming rights to the events center, which is about twice what the city was expecting to get. |
talk about getting the beard stuck in the postbox... hahahaha!...
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 2-May-2007 4:29:38
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Anyone who tuned in tonight to: mms://146.129.246.214/citygovernment have any comments? What was discussed or announced?
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 3-May-2007 17:37:07
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I'm certainly curious. Did anyone see what #6 is talking about? This whole Kent thing is just so totally strange. Amiga has virtually no products, their name dosen't mean all that much to the general public anymore. Millions in from Prokom and millions out to Kent if this goes through, yet claiming $100 in the bank at one point and vigourously getting into a lawsuit instead of, I dunno, spending some portion of those millions on buying out Hyperion if it came to it.
And man if you are a Kent city official if you were to start to see more of the background of things, what do you even do at this point? Do you sever now and take the heat now or do you ride it out, hope the money shows, no matter where or how it comes from?
Lets just hope someone really really really really rich for whom millions is peanuts and has some quirky adoration for the Amiga is floating this and its all on the up and up.
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 3-May-2007 17:56:45
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And man if you are a Kent city official if you were to start to see more of the background of things, what do you even do at this point? Do you sever now and take the heat now or do you ride it out, hope the money shows, no matter where or how it comes from? |
Heh! What about the governor? What about the legislature who overwhelmingly approved this? What about the implications for the politicians in next year's presidential election if they were to lose Washington State? Oh, I know. I've heard how these things get addressed, but you get my point. This is NOT trivial.
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 3-May-2007 20:56:25
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I'm certainly curious. Did anyone see what #6 is talking about? |
No, but in a few days you should be able to access it directly from the archive.
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"1. SUBJECT: AMIGA CENTER AT KENT 2. SUMMARY STATEMENT: On March 6th, the Kent City Council authorized additional financing and directed staff to continue planning the design and development process for the Amiga Center at Kent. All of these processes are planning processes intended to position the City to achieve cost savings and maintain scheduling efficiencies if council approves the project proposal after completing environmental review and approving the Maximum Allowable Cost Construction contract (“MACC”). Environmental review is currently scheduled to be complete on or about May 15. Recently, Mayor Cooke announced that the naming rights for the facility have been secured through an agreement with Amiga, Inc., if this project is constructed. On April 20, both the state House and Senate passed a Public Facilities District bill and approved a capital funding allocation for the proposed Events Center. If the Governor signs these bills, sufficient funding will likely be in place to proceed with the project, again subject to completion of environmental review and further subject to successful negotiation of the MACC. Staff and the citizens advisory committee are requesting that City Council continue this planning process by preparing to develop a Public Facilities District, by analyzing bond funding approaches, and by authorizing the Mayor to expend additional funds from the general fund or from any appropriate capital improvement fund on an interim basis, which interim allocations will be fully refunded from the sale of general obligation bonds to be issued for project completion, if the project is constructed. Staff with provide a presentation of the milestone calendar and proposed project budget." |
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 3-May-2007 21:29:38
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If you Google as of this writing:
"kent wa events center"
Hit #3 is "Shady Amiga company: naming rights for Kent event center - Topix"
So now at this point if you don't know Amiga from a hole in the wall but just are interested in looking up info on the center something like this is one of the top provided links. Not good.
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 4-May-2007 0:15:05
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| Well huh... I'm gone on vacation for a couple weeks and come back to yet another lawsuit and now this "Amiga Event Center". Isn't it customary for a company to make a good name and reputation for itself by providing, oh, actual products and/or services (or something), and actually earn an income *before* naming buildings after itself??
I'll certainly be watching this upcoming spectacular launch of whatever it is "Steve McEwan" is launching and Amiga's "ascension to grandeur" with much interest. Gawd, didn't people think of a background check? What a snow job. I suppose with dollar signs rolling in their eyes they couldn't see past the green.
I do hope, though, for the people of Kent's sake that all goes well for them. I live on the other side of the state so the impact of a colossal failure wouldn't affect us over here, but some people are going to look really really bad if this thing goes south.
Two huge buckets of popcorn here please, I'm gonna need 'em...
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 4-May-2007 0:48:29
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Needle wrote: Well huh... I'm gone on vacation for a couple weeks and come back to yet another lawsuit and now this "Amiga Event Center". Isn't it customary for a company to make a good name and reputation for itself by providing, oh, actual products and/or services (or something), and actually earn an income *before* naming buildings after itself??
I'll certainly be watching this upcoming spectacular launch of whatever it is "Steve McEwan" is launching and Amiga's "ascension to grandeur" with much interest. Gawd, didn't people think of a background check? What a snow job. I suppose with dollar signs rolling in their eyes they couldn't see past the green.
I do hope, though, for the people of Kent's sake that all goes well for them. I live on the other side of the state so the impact of a colossal failure wouldn't affect us over here, but some people are going to look really really bad if this thing goes south.
Two huge buckets of popcorn here please, I'm gonna need 'em...
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The city council meeting recording was very sad to listen to. Granted Bill is not in it, but the impression of how big Amiga Inc. supposedly is was pretty wild to listen to. The talk about it not just being the investment in naming the center, but the positive impact on the Kent economy that Amiga would make by moving their NYC operations to Kent, WA. We as a group I think envision the photos of the "maildrop" office from Cecila's photos on Amiga.org and the Garry Hare lawsuit, they seem to be envisioning something much more, I believe one newspaper article was figuring it to add a couple of hundred jobs to the city. Maybe thats the goal down the road and any city council is going to talk up the positives but there is a lot of disparity there. I guess if Amiga has the cash, between Prokom, Pentti and G*d knows where else it dosen't matter much.
If I were the Mayor of Kent, on the city council, the state rep or state senator quoted in newspaper articles I'd be pretty ####ed right now though. Even if Amiga has the cash one could spend years reading all the stuff there is on this site alone that I would think a politician would just seek to avoid, whether its true or not.
I just hope the people of Kent don't get screwed in the end and get their arena without any b/s._________________ Pegasos2 G3 running AOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.0 Amikit user, tinkering with Icaros VM (AROS) EFIKA owner Amiga 1200 |
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 4-May-2007 2:09:28
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So now at this point if you don't know Amiga from a hole in the wall but just are interested in looking up info on the center something like this is one of the top provided links. Not good. |
Amiga, Inc. grossly misrepresented itself to the people of Kent. Maybe it doesn't really matter to those people, if they don't want to "look a gift horse in the mouth". But in no way is Amiga, Inc. "the world's premier provider of multi-media enabling technologies" or the same company whose products are used in video work, or the maker of any significant technology products today, or big in Europe, or having several Asian units. I think it's a public service to point out these fabrications, a good thing to do. Would it be better if somewhere down the road the Kent people start wondering why there's no substance to Amiga, Inc.'s promises and claims rather than at least have an opportunity to get clued in at the outset?
(I don't know if it's made a difference or not, but the Kent city officials now have on hand the court documents related to Amiga, Inc.'s past affairs. As I said earlier, maybe they'd just rather accept the fiction and take the money without probing any deeper than necessary.)
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 4-May-2007 14:37:36
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| The whole thing sounds like scenes from the musical "The Music Man". Talk about conning a gullible small town. The difference is that The Music Man was able to pull it out at the end, Amiga Inc. doesn't have a rabbit to pull out of a hat. |
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Re: The Kent Events Center - Just the facts Posted on 4-May-2007 15:45:39
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RC wrote: The whole thing sounds like scenes from the musical "The Music Man". Talk about conning a gullible small town. The difference is that The Music Man was able to pull it out at the end, Amiga Inc. doesn't have a rabbit to pull out of a hat. |
Who knows, maybe Pentti Kouri will dump a bunch of cash into Amiga to avoid embarassment if he hasn't done so already.
The amount for the deal does seem astonding though._________________ Pegasos2 G3 running AOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.0 Amikit user, tinkering with Icaros VM (AROS) EFIKA owner Amiga 1200 |
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