Just thinking out loud here...

With OS4 classic being released at the end of this month and available only to Cyberstorm/Blizzard PPC owners (which are few and far between)....do you think there would be any demand for an update to OS 3.9? Perhaps a 3.9.1? Or Boing Bag 3?

I am wondering what it would take to put together such a project. I mean if you look at some of the great work done by AmiKit and AmiSys 3....there are many tweaks and upgrade that can very much enhance OS 3.9.

I personally believe there is alot of room remaining to further develop 68k stuff. If you put together all of the remaining 68k classic users and various forms of emulated users (Amiga Forever, Amithlon, all the UAE flavours, MiniMig, etc etc) you are probably still looking at 5000+ users?

That number is 5X more than the number of AmigaOnes produced...

Just food for thought, but I for one would very much contribute to a "bounty" on this project.

Am I crazy or do you think this project has some potential? Perhaps a community driven bounty would do it.

$50 x 5000 = $250,000 bounty. Ok, no way we will get 5000 people to contribute...but it would be a nice incentive :) LOL!

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HammerD wrote: Just thinking out loud here... ... do you think there would be any demand for an update to OS 3.9? Perhaps a 3.9.1? Or Boing Bag 3? ...

Yes- of course!

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@HammerD

Good idea in my opinion. There's plenty of people still using OS3.x in one form or another (uae,amithlon,classic), and even though there's no real commercial future in that system it still is more than usable, and keeps a lot of people happy while waiting on OS4 (or others who are simply happy with os3.x).
What exactly are you proposing though ?? New code?? Something to install all the "essentials" that are needed on top of a fresh system ?? Some sort of distro for all OS3.x options ?? Something else ?

Coincidently just last night I started rewriting an installer for a distro I was tinkering with a while back. Unlike the (great) options out there (amikit,amigasys,aiab) this differs in that its a fully graphical based installer (running on amiga/emulated amiga), and is also fully configurable,... the user can select what software he wants installed (a little like with a lot of Linux distros, or WIndows). I was mostly writing it for myself this time around, as I seem to install AOS3.x regularly on one system or another and it gets annoying having to manually install mui, birdie, afa_os, p96/cgx,etc. all the time. I was also having trouble getting drivers for hardware I dont have when it was going to be a "distro".

Anyway, Id be curious to hear other peoples thoughts on this subject (in general,not just my input) as I think there's definately enough people to warrant it.

@HammerD

Considering the nature of the previous BoinBags which mainly consisted of bugfixes and updates of OS files (no major enhancements or new features), this must be enough as unofficial BB3 for OS3.9.

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Considering the nature of the previous BoinBags which mainly consisted of bugfixes and updates of OS files (no major enhancements or new features), this must be enough as unofficial BB3 for OS3.9.

Very good point!

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@HammerD

Its a great idea, i was thinking yesterday that what we really need is an updated kernel, now i dont know weather or not 3.5 or 3.9 has fork() but 3.1 doesnt. And in order to get things like Bash and a x11 terminal, and heaps of other good stuff from the open source world running without a major rewrite, WE NEED FORK.

So what do we do then? Bribes? Blackmail? Empty threats?

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@HammerD

Personally I only use UAE, but I do run AOS3.9, and I am guessing a lot of other people are to.

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And in order to get things like Bash and a x11 terminal, and heaps of other good stuff from the open source world running without a major rewrite, WE NEED FORK.

You can not have fork() on Amiga.

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@itix

I know, but couldnt a new kernel add fork()?
Or does it require memory protection maybe...

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Empty threats?

Quiet! That's Amiga Inc. (or Animo or whatever)'s domain. Steer clear from that.

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Hahaha, well your right about that. I really dislike that they threaten their user base. Sites, people and projects that makes a difference. It's not good marketing thats for sure, i mean without naming any names here. *couch* alot of people already dislike what they are and have been doing and the way they did it. So i dont really see the point of going about that way.

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@HammerD

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.do you think there would be any demand for an update to OS 3.9? Perhaps a 3.9.1? Or Boing Bag 3?

I would buy a OS3.91 disk, basically a new version of the classic os, but I wouldnt donate to a boingbag bounty because it would probably just end up as a collection of updated datatypes/libraries.

So yes, contact a.inc now and get that source code!

@HammerD

It would be great for Classic OS users, Emulators, and Coldfire projects if they ever appear,

The parts that need the updating would require an AmigaInc license, and their policy is to prevent updates or development on the 68k OS.

Maybe any bounty would need to be for a purchase of Amiga Inc., or to drive them into a second bankruptcy and then buy the remains. It seems like those are the only ways to go forward.

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@logicalheart

Well Amiga Inc. isn't doing anything with Amiga OS 3.x. Perhaps they could be persuaded to allow the community to update it and release some semi-official updates.

Anyone have any contacts at Amiga Inc.?

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@HammerD

Technically speaking, OS4 is the update to OS 3.9, and a big update too.

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@HammerD

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Anyone have any contacts at Amiga Inc.?

From what I understand from some postings, it mostly bears down to a one-way sort of contact: you send a mail, you never hear anything back.
I hasten to say that I do not have had any contact with the company whatsoever, so I'm not an expert by experience.

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@HammerD

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HammerD wrote: Just thinking out loud here... With OS4 classic being released at the end of this month and available only to Cyberstorm/Blizzard PPC owners (which are few and far between)....do you think there would be any demand for an update to OS 3.9? Perhaps a 3.9.1? Or Boing Bag 3? I am wondering what it would take to put together such a project. I mean if you look at some of the great work done by AmiKit and AmiSys 3....there are many tweaks and upgrade that can very much enhance OS 3.9. I personally believe there is alot of room remaining to further develop 68k stuff. If you put together all of the remaining 68k classic users and various forms of emulated users (Amiga Forever, Amithlon, all the UAE flavours, MiniMig, etc etc) you are probably still looking at 5000+ users? That number is 5X more than the number of AmigaOnes produced... Just food for thought, but I for one would very much contribute to a "bounty" on this project. Am I crazy or do you think this project has some potential? Perhaps a community driven bounty would do it. $50 x 5000 = $250,000 bounty. Ok, no way we will get 5000 people to contribute...but it would be a nice incentive :) LOL!

I think that having an updated 68k AmigaOS would have some potential,
but there is one Problem.
You need the sourcecodes to make an real update to the OS.

Amiga INC. and Hyperion are too busy, suing each other,
so the only (realistic) way I see, is to bring AROS 68k back from unmaintained and make it binary compatible.

You can support it with this bountys:

Phase I

Phase II

But this may take some time...

@Hans

Yes, you are correct. However we know the situation with OS4...it does not look to be resolved anytime soon. Very sad indeed.

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@HammerD

AROS for Amiga (AFA) is what you seek.