According to me Chris Hodges Poseidon USB stack must be released as some sort of open souce project.. it's a big shame lost the main and old usb stack..
Anyone or hyperion can adopt poseidon usb stack??

@lukeskyd

stack from rival operating system ?

@lukeskyd

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lukeskyd wrote: According to me Chris Hodges Poseidon USB stack must be released as some sort of open souce project..

"Must"?

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it's a big shame lost the main and old usb stack..

IMHO Poseidon is one of the best USB stacks on any platform.

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Anyone or hyperion can adopt poseidon usb stack??

When it comes to "Hyperion" - Poseidon is private property and not within Hyperion's control. Maybe they could make Chris an offer and maybe he would accept, but seeing how the OS4 developers cludged together their own USB stack it seems they are not particulary interested, right?

When it comes to "Anyone" - Chris has worked with the MorphOS team for years, and his Poseidon stack is an *integrated* part of MorphOS.

@takemehomegrandma

"cludged together"?

Thats hardly fair, and a bit of a cheap shot.

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@lukeskyd

"According to me" you should give me £1,000,000.

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@lukeskyd

Ehem...

a) What makes you think Chris Hodges would just release Poseidon as open source after he
put a ####load of work into it? I don't see any point for him to do so.. did I miss any statement
of him lately?

b) As Chris Hodges probably won't open source Poseidon (see a) ), what makes you think
that anyone (you're suggesting Hyperion) could adopt a closed-sourse commercial
software?

c) Don't you appreciate the other ####load of work Thomas Graff Thoger and Sebastian Bauer
put initialy and many others more in the meantime into Sirion USB stack?

d) The "main" USB stack for AmigaOS 4+ is Sirion. That decision was made long ago and
neither you nor me know the details of why Sirion was choosen over Poseidon. But at least
I am not unlucky with that decision.

So what would be the point of using Poseidon? Available function drivers? If so, Poseidon
exists longer than Sirion and therefore of course has more function drivers available.. but
every important function is already supported by Sirion and more drivers are in the works
e.g. by Rene W. Olsen...


Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but i saw it with my own work and i'm fed up with only getting
complaints about "why reinvent the wheel", "why not adopt this and that", "why not use
existing bla and improve upon it" without knowing a $hit about the reasons regarding my
and others hard work..
Sometimes you just can't improve upon something because you don't have access to
the sources or the sources are in useless 68k assembler or just a big mess or something
else which leads to the simple fact that writing from scratch is easier.. and sometimes
it's because someone just think he could do it better or maybe he's just interested in
how things work from the ground up. In any case, there's absolutely no reason for anyone
to complain about new and actively maintained software.. regardless if there already
exist alternatives or not..

May be i missed the corresponding messages, but i never saw anyone complain about
Pete Gordon reinventing the wheel again with Pete's FTP although there are enough
alternatives around (ATC, AmiFTP, c:ftp, just to name a few) .. Pete thought he can do
better than the others from scratch and so far it seems he's right (good job Pete ) .. so
why can't it always be like that? People are appreciating Pete's work and don't whine
about why Pete didn't adopt ATC or something else..

Ok.. i'll stop here.. again, sorry if my sound was harsh.. it's just.. well.. read above..

Last edited by Cyborg on 03-Jan-2008 at 11:41 AM.

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@rzookol

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stack from rival operating system ?

Why not? It supports EHCI and isochronous transfers, something that could take years or may never be seen in the OS4 USB Stack.

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@Crumb

You are (again) wrong.. please stop making assumptions about how long something will
take or if something ever will show up if you don't have a clue about..

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stack from rival operating system ?

From AmigaOS 3.x to 4.x ?

@lukeskyd
Next version of Poseidon is part of the upcoming MorphOS 2.0, with brand new drivers to support Pegasos hardware and PCI USB cards, as well as available for OEMs manufacturing 68k USB hardware. (As this is stated on Poseidon homepage, which is now back.) So, your assumptions about this stack being "lost" is simply wrong. Therefore, no need to opensource it. And Hyperion has their own USB solution anyway (which is being better or worse than Poseidon is another thing to discuss).

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@Cyborg

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... Poseidon exists longer than Sirion and therefore of course has more function drivers available..

A serious failing of logic there, if I'm not mistaken.

Would you claim that Win95 OSR2 (with USB support) has more drivers available than XP Professional SP2 ?

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@xeron

Fairness is due to subjective perception, but nevertheless, it still can't be compared to Poseidon by far, and that's what it looks like to me in comparison.

@meega

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A serious failing of logic there, if I'm not mistaken. Would you claim that Win95 OSR2 (with USB support) has more drivers available than XP Professional SP2 ?

Microsoft didn't write a complete new stack for every Windows release but wrote
the initial one and improved upon that. So basically it's the same as with
Poseidon: The longer it exists the more function drivers were available.

For Poseidong/Sirion i meant it more along the lines: Poseidon was the very
first USB stack for AmigaOS and Chris did a very good job with developing a
lot of function drivers over the *years* of development. Sirion is much younger
and due to the fact that it only shipped with OS4 *one* year ago (AFAIK, feel
free to correct me if Sirion also shipped with any USB cards before OS4.. or
did it actually ship with the Thylacine? I only found Poseidon drivers for it
and honestly i don't know a single person who owns a Thylacine AFAIK) and
the Sirion maintainers also had a lot of other things to do in the meantime,
there aren't that much FDs yet... whereby the most important already *are*
available.. granted EHCI host controller driver is yet missing. But trust me,
it won't last "years" as others claimed until they are available. The same
with isochronous transfers (though that could take a bit longer).

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@takemehomegrandma

Whether or not you "like" Sirion, on what basis do you claim it was "cludged together"?

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Hello,

Someone has tested Poseidon on:

- AOS4 PPC NG.
- AOS4 Classics.

Before speaking, maybe poseidon work allready and well with JIT.


Thanks a lot to Chris for one of the verry best program made for the amiga/MorphOS

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@Cyborg

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You are (again) wrong.. please stop making assumptions about how long something will

Please note that I used the verb *could* and not *will*. So I'm not wrong.

Maybe you are trying to say that I'm always wrong to disqualify my comments, but please, read this: You are (again) wrong because Sirion was launched in 2002, just like Poseidon.

And after 6 years it doesn't even have basic webcam support.

ATM Sirion offers slightly more (but not much more) than ANAIIS. The only important advantage is mass storage support but unfortunately a friend of mine (uA1 user) complains about it crashing when working with his external HDs.

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Sirion maintainers also had a lot of other things to do in the meantime

Are you implying that Chris Hodges has no life or other important things to do? I think it's you the one who don't have a clue about what you talk.

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But trust me, it won't last "years" as others claimed until they are available.

Could you please show some proof that work is being done in order to support EHCI? Or is that just a McEwen like comment?

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@Crumb

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Crumb wrote: Maybe you are trying to say that I'm always wrong to disqualify my comments, but please, read this: You are (again) wrong because Sirion was launched in 2002, just like Poseidon.

Yet I hadn't heard of it until OS4 was actually released.

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Quote: Sirion maintainers also had a lot of other things to do in the meantime Are you implying that Chris Hodges has no life or other important things to do? I think it's you the one who don't have a clue about what you talk.

Come on, let's be fair on everybody. Chris Hodges has done a really good job with Poseidon, but are you suggesting that he wrote all the HIDs himself? Even his website doesn't claim that. Poseidon has the advantage of reaching critical mass, at which point others start writing drivers for it.

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I'd like to see this too, but because I actually have OS4 and would like to have the additional functionality.

Hans

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BTW, how different are the APIs of these two stacks. I thought that we were originally told that they were compatible (or mostly compatible).

Hans

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@Hans

Now some kind of usb wrapper library would be nice to unify AROS/OS4/MOS efforts but unfortunately I doubt the authors want to cooperate :-/

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@Crumb

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Crumb wrote: ATM Sirion offers slightly more (but not much more) than ANAIIS. The only important advantage is mass storage support but unfortunately a friend of mine (uA1 user) complains about it crashing when working with his external HDs.

Then you could suggest your friend to use ANAIIS instead when it runs stable on A1,
or Poseidon when it runs stable on A1, or you could suggest him to try to not using
FAT32 for his external HDs, or to replace the massstorage driver and CrossDOSFileSystem
with the OS4Classic versions...

Does ANAIIS support scrollwheels or printers or the PageDown key?
If not, Sirion is more than slightly advanced IMHO.