@Deniil715

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Deniil715 wrote: Quote: kas1e wrote: @all If some of you want to see dopus5 on amigaos, make a donation here Hear! Hear! Please donate and DOpus5 Magellan II will come to OS4!

Show me a developer with enough time and skilled with AmigaOS Core functions and knows 68k Assembler, thats when i will bother with a donation.

IIRC Andreas even wanted to pay the developers to port it to OS4, keep in mind that this bounty is source code only

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@Toaks

And you told me that its i sounds like your old boss :))

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Show me a developer with enough time and skilled with AmigaOS Core functions and knows 68k Assembler, thats when i will bother with a donation.

We not need your donations Toaks. We want donations of those ones who want to see the sources (yes only the sources , yes no os4 binary, yes we want to try to get them for 3000, and not for 5000, and that kind of strange why you call it "cheat"). If you do not have interest - then plz, stop spread your doubts all the time. Stop sounds like your old boss !

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IIRC Andreas even wanted to pay the developers to port it to OS4, keep in mind that this bounty is source code only

Keep in mind, that when sources on SF, anyone can works on it, morphos ones, aros ones, aos3 ones. aos4 is not only one os.

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@kas1e

God damn Vlad, I admire your patience, I really do, plus I like your attitude. But, imo, you should get as far away as possible from OS4 community/fora/threads/blogs/whatever and start developing for other Amiga like OSes cause I can't understand why the hell you negotiate with reasoning towards fan base community.

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@Toaks

What part of magellan that uses assembly could you possibly have any use for on OS4?

If I got the source, I would clean out all hokus pokus assembly magic, which surely includes some OS patching, audio player, image viewer, some hacky dir listings etc.

What I would start with is to get a basic DOpus running with listers, button bars and prefs. Today there are far superior players and viewers so any built-in could simply be cut out. GP said the source is clean, which means there could hardly be much asm in there.

Think about it: OS4 is the only AmigaOS where Magellan isn't running. (Well AROS too, but that should be a somewhat straight compile.) So why even care about any old crap when porting to OS4, like custom viewers and Paula players, obsolete icon routines and ####. Anything that doesn't work or has assembly - rip it out and get yourself a clean DOpus.

The mistake I think Guru did was to try to make everything work down to the last bit, since it would then still be commercial and had to be complete, which obviously required a lot of work, and they failed.

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@Deniil715

I had contact to the company that tried to port it to OS4. The code is clean, documentated and mostly C. They got far with the port but than the main developer got problems and dropped (nothing to do with DOpus port). They had problems because Magellan goes "deep in the system" (the phrase I think that was used). On the other hand it runs without problems in Aros 68k (only icons are not correct), 3.1. of course and MorphOS. So the port should be possible...

@kas1e

looks like toaks is jealous of us troll naysayers, and since there is not much choice insists to pick on your initiative. well bad luck for you, he seems to have some endurance.

@toaks

this is coming nicely along, try harder, harder.. burry that effort and scare off kas1e, go-go!

@olaf:

magellan going deep into the system? but what does it mean, and why does it already work on aros68k while many other apps still refuse? for clarification would be good to know: does magellan work on os4 classic (probably banging hardware where possible) and does magellan work on os4 under petunia (no hardware banging possible). otherwise i cant believe that aros68k compatibility is already higher than os4 68k emulation. or am i wrong?

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@kas1e

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kas1e wrote: @Toaks And you told me that its i sounds like your old boss :)) Quote: Show me a developer with enough time and skilled with AmigaOS Core functions and knows 68k Assembler, thats when i will bother with a donation. We not need your donations Toaks. We want donations of those ones who want to see the sources (yes only the sources , yes no os4 binary, yes we want to try to get them for 3000, and not for 5000, and that kind of strange why you call it "cheat"). If you do not have interest - then plz, stop spread your doubts all the time. Stop sounds like your old boss ! Quote: IIRC Andreas even wanted to pay the developers to port it to OS4, keep in mind that this bounty is source code only Keep in mind, that when sources on SF, anyone can works on it, morphos ones, aros ones, aos3 ones. aos4 is not only one os.

my old boss was awesome, sadly he left us in march 2012 :(
my old boss before him was a ####ing moron , hopefully i don't sound like him :D
my new boss is the ####ing moron ..again.. same guy.. until they find a new one.

What i wrote was not about OS4 , i wrote it in a general way and i meant it.

As for the bounty not needing my donation.., maybe so but why is it that you guys want to close it now when its only half way?.

As for my negativity and doubts, sorry about that but i have been burnt before regarding to DopusMag2.

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@wawa

I did not make any conclusions regarding compatibility because I do not know AOS (just said the facts)... It works on MorphOS too without any changes and problems, so somehow AOS seems to be "less compatible" there for some reason.

@Deniil715

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Deniil715 wrote: @Toaks What part of magellan that uses assembly could you possibly have any use for on OS4? If I got the source, I would clean out all hokus pokus assembly magic, which surely includes some OS patching, audio player, image viewer, some hacky dir listings etc. What I would start with is to get a basic DOpus running with listers, button bars and prefs. Today there are far superior players and viewers so any built-in could simply be cut out. GP said the source is clean, which means there could hardly be much asm in there.

I think you misunderstood , here goes..
There's more assembly stuff in it that will have to be converted in to C/c++ than stuff you can just __If Def__ , they went with assembler for a reason, either the SDK limitations (very likely) at that time or that it had to be Assembler to be efficient enough (also very likely).

You might be able to comment out a lot of stuff and yes i think that might make it slightly easier indeed but then you would have to create stuff to replace it .. no?.

What will happen when you comment out a lot of the code, will it be buggy and crashy? , so many things that can go wrong here.

Again, this is why we will need a developer (or several) with enough time and knows AmigaOS's stuff inside out.

lets hope its this easy but then i really wonder why GuruMed didnt go for that approach in the end.


@wava

what are you on about now?.

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@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @wawa I did not make any conclusions regarding compatibility because I do not know AOS (just said the facts)... It works on MorphOS too without any changes and problems, so somehow AOS seems to be "less compatible" there for some reason.

IIRC there is a fix needed for DopusMagII 5.82 to work on MorphOS and also i think JPV did a walktrough on how to sett it up to do it very nice way without issues..

ah, found it: http://jpv.wmhost.com/magellan2ambient/magellan2ambient-faq.html

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@Toaks

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what are you on about now?.

as usual. trying to improve trolling qualities on this forum?! i wasnt clear enough it seems.

@sicky

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sicky wrote: @BrandonLee Quite happy with Filer here, seems to do most things Opus Magellan did, well certainly all I used it for back in the OS3.9 old days

I was going to say what about Filer. That being developed into even more functionality/more Dopus-like would seem like a better use of time!

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@wawa

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magellan going deep into the system? but what does it mean, and why does it already work on aros68k while many other apps still refuse? for clarification would be good to know: does magellan work on os4 classic (probably banging hardware where possible) and does magellan work on os4 under petunia (no hardware banging possible). otherwise i cant believe that aros68k compatibility is already higher than os4 68k emulation. or am i wrong?

DOpus5 patches the system in ways that broke 3.5 IIRC (new icon features like animation never worked becasue the code was patched out by DOpus. If it did that too 3.5 it'll likely cripple a lot of new Amiga OS4 stuff, perhaps that is the problem.

Also ARos68k would only need to provide the function stubs, and then Opus could patch those with it's own so in an odd way less (new) functionilty might make it easier to work.

Great as it was in many ways it sounds to me like it played a bit nasty with the OS, well as a WB replacement I suppose it needed to take over a lot.

But until the source code is out who knows?

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Little off topic, but I wonder why it doesnt work on OS4.x and requires patching for MOS. It's definately not a hardware thing as it works nicely on a Draco and Amithlon without the need for patching, etc. (ie. rtg/rta only).

Good luck with getting the price lowered, but its bad etiquette in my opinion to offer someone something, have them agree, and then try to change the agreed amount simply because its taking longer than you want. It's only been a few months and more than half the money has been raised. Pretty good going I thought.

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God damn Vlad, I admire your patience, I really do, plus I like your attitude. But, imo, you should get as far away as possible from OS4 community/fora/threads/blogs/whatever and start developing for other Amiga like OSes cause I can't understand why the hell you negotiate with reasoning towards fan base community.

Its the same on aros and morphos as well. The same users and co, the same depressions or overoptimism , the same ppls who doubt about something or do not want something. Sadly its unpossble later to somehow protect the stuff , so they can't use it.

@Toaks

I do not know, but seems you just do not know how SF projects works, and how many good developers we have in any camps.

If you like, think about it not like about aos4 version ready to use, but only as about sources. And there is only one pluse : we will have them. That all and enough. 5000 is piece of crap and not money. Just i do not want to pay my own a lot, as its expected that i will worry about os4 port with help of others. When other ones ask 75.000 thosands for music, 10.000 for anything else, we , like jerks, cry about ####y 5000. Sure, better for years and years cry about how good dopus mag was, in compare with just collect that bunch of crapo dollars and got that god damn sources !

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Good luck with getting the price lowered, but its bad etiquette in my opinion to offer someone something, have them agree, and then try to change the agreed amount simply because its taking longer than you want. It's only been a few months and more than half the money has been raised. Pretty good going I thought.

Good or bad, for us any way is better to get sources as fast as we can. All what we will try to do, its write a mail like "hey, we collect 3000 now, but as amiga users are jerks and have strange logic, its not so fast to reach 5000. so we do not want wait a half year more, so maybe you will be in inerst to open sources for 3000 ?". If they will say no, then we will continue till 5600 will done. If hey will say "yes", then we all can be god damn happy ! What a madness that i need to explain the usuall stuff ....

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@fishy_fis

with such a comparatively huge sums the donations have to either quickly fulfill the target or get stick somewhere far away form the attention of the scene where none cares. see poseidon initiative. no donations until deadwood pushed it then completed on a matter of hours. see thinderfox, when it was announced. unless kas1e keeps bothering everyone this will remain sleeping half a way.

@broadblues
may be, afair there were some functions added for >3.1 compatibility, the icon.library tries to stay compatible to anything there is, still i dont think this is so meaningful. at least this doesnt soun as if it was that was what was preventing magellan to start on os4.

@wawa

probably not that issue specifically, but posible that *type* of issue.

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@kas1e

What I think is madness is that you seem to think it's madness.
I expressed an opinion, nothing more, nothing less. You took it upon yourself to be condescending about something that I wished you luck with.