@Cool_amigaN

I think every amigasystem has its own fan base, both good and bad....

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@fishy_fis

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fishy_fis wrote: Little off topic, but I wonder why it doesnt work on OS4.x and requires patching for MOS. It's definately not a hardware thing as it works nicely on a Draco and Amithlon without the need for patching, etc. (ie. rtg/rta only). Good luck with getting the price lowered, but its bad etiquette in my opinion to offer someone something, have them agree, and then try to change the agreed amount simply because its taking longer than you want. It's only been a few months and more than half the money has been raised. Pretty good going I thought.

OS4 is made to be really picky by these kind of things, sadly its making users more frustrated than it should.
Lots of this should have worked fine but since they do nasty stuff OS4 blocks them out.

MorphOS has always been better at Emulation 68k stuff so i guess thats why it works there (with minor patches).

as for your opinion about the ethics , i totally agree and thats what i said earlier in the thread too.


@kas1e

i do know how Sourceforge works, i have many projects there (that i have ported and created).
As for Devs, yes there's quite a few, i know that but do they have the time and dedication for this?, not so sure :(
As for having the sources, indeed thats a good point but then again thats not new as "we" had them from 2004-2009 but yes not open source so it doesnt really count other than that we had the chance and we had the bloody source.

I hope all goes well kas1e, i really do! and when the sources is aquired then i will open my wallet and help the project to start (no matter which OS version it is).

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@Toaks

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There's more assembly stuff in it that will have to be converted in to C/c++ than stuff you can just __If Def__ , they went with assembler for a reason, either the SDK limitations (very likely) at that time or that it had to be Assembler to be efficient enough (also very likely).

You dont have to convert 68k assembly to C since the operating systems can run 68k code.

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@broadblues

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DOpus5 patches the system in ways that broke 3.5 IIRC (new icon features like animation never worked becasue the code was patched out by DOpus.

I have never used Magellan but according to AmiKit page even using PNG icons is possible with it...

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If it did that too 3.5 it'll likely cripple a lot of new Amiga OS4 stuff, perhaps that is the problem.

No, it is just certain dos.library related things. If Magellan was ported to PPC it would run on MorphOS but crash on OS4.

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@kas1e

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kas1e wrote: @Cool_amigaN [...] Sadly its unpossble later to somehow protect the stuff , so they can't use it. [...]

LOL

At least, have you consider implementing a restrictive rule on the about tab of your progs saying i.e.; I, Vlad, known as kas1e, porter of xxx app, forbid the usage of the aforementioned program from the following persons; [Enter List] OR else I curse your machines to get fried xD

AFAIK, a similar approach was proposed by someone from the Natami team towards Atheist on Moo, i.e. excluding him by listing him on the warranty of the system :P

If someone has the link from moo, please drop the line here :)

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@itix

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itix wrote: @Toaks Quote: There's more assembly stuff in it that will have to be converted in to C/c++ than stuff you can just __If Def__ , they went with assembler for a reason, either the SDK limitations (very likely) at that time or that it had to be Assembler to be efficient enough (also very likely). You dont have to convert 68k assembly to C since the operating systems can run 68k code.

true enough for a quick and dirty port but yes it would work as a "temporary" solution just to get it working and then start removing the uneeded hw banging code etc.

maybe i am overcomplicating the project but as i have said before.... i have been waiting 8 years for this "xxxxxxthing", if not more ;).

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@itix

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itix wrote: @broadblues Quote: If it did that too 3.5 it'll likely cripple a lot of new Amiga OS4 stuff, perhaps that is the problem. No, it is just certain dos.library related things. If Magellan was ported to PPC it would run on MorphOS but crash on OS4.

how would you know that? , is that because of the 68k version not working or is it because of known native reasons?

If it would crash is not a suprise though

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@Cool_amigaN

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Sadly its unpossble later to somehow protect the stuff , so they can't use it

Sorry, I know English isnt his native language, but this reminded me of Ralph Wiggum......

"Me fail English? That's unpossible" :)

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@Toaks

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how would you know that? , is that because of the 68k version not working or is it because of known native reasons?

Because of the 68k version not working. Magellan relies on somewhat exact copy of original dos.library and filesystem operations. Nothing what one couldnt fix (in fact I dont remember where the problem was) but it was found out when testing dos.library changes on MorphOS.

(Amiga software is admittely a fragile ecosystem...)

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@terminills

LOL thanks, that's the one!

Let me quote the wise words of Richard Maudsley:

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Hell, it's even going to be in the warrantee, that if a natami is sold to you, it's automatically disqualified from any kind of support or repairs.

So kas1e, there you have the original plan :)

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@itix

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itix wrote: @Toaks Quote: how would you know that? , is that because of the 68k version not working or is it because of known native reasons? Because of the 68k version not working. Magellan relies on somewhat exact copy of original dos.library and filesystem operations. Nothing what one couldnt fix (in fact I dont remember where the problem was) but it was found out when testing dos.library changes on MorphOS. (Amiga software is admittely a fragile ecosystem...)

thanks for the input,hopefully things like this can be either patched or totally cleaned out when and if the sources will come out, as for Amiga software being fragile, very true :(

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@all
2900$ now

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@all

The last days we make a huge step from about $2900
to $3253.

So go ahead and spend a little bit to reach the goal :)

@all

Now we are at 3333$. Olaf trying to contact with them to ask if they will be kindly enough to give us code for 3k , but if not, then we have "only" 2.267 left. Which are not that big summ as initiall 5600, so everyone who in interst (and only who in interest, not those ones who didn't), keep them coming.

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@kas1e

sweet! keep us posted!

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@kas1e

This is reviewing a years old thread, just to discuss what to do with Dopus Magellan II once it becomes free. Donate each month, and victory is for sure.

We are 3500 out of 5500 - 2000USD to go, each one donate 30-50$
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64

Nice review and info @ AntiCUSA blog


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I just donated 26 more dollars. It should be 3500 now!

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@spotUP

Thanks, less then 2 000 to go, I will donate 50 early next month

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@spotUP

Well, here's another $25.

Hope we get there soon

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