@klx300r

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sorry to hear about your troubles with Sam & OS4.1 but I can honestly say that my Sam flex@800 with OS4.1 was giving me graphic glitch and hang up problems only before I installed the QuicFix update..after that all is smooth sailing! Did you contact your dealer or Acube about your Sam?

And with the same fix they introduced that same graphic glitch on my sam 533mhz. Never had any graphical glitches before the last update.

@salass00

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Just open the file SYS:Kickstart/Kicklayout in Notepad and change the line "MODULE Kickstart/kernel" to "MODULE Kickstart/kernel.debug", then save and do a cold reboot (ctrl-alt-alt).

OK, done. Just using the kernel.debug give the SAM more stable. Don't know that...

Question: What give the kernel.debug ??? more debug output when problems for the developpers ???If yes, how can I show them ???

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Yes i talk about FAT32 formatted usb stick as they normally are formatted like this ;)

Yes, I have tons of problems with that and the more funny is because of this problem, I use the classic to copy with USB of FAT medias I have verry often.

Spider2+poseidon and no problem and better speed than on a SAM. Thanks to the USB developpers for the AOS4.1 for their futur improvements for the stack for AOS4.1.

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For the ANR

On 68k classic, the program give often hits (but no crash) when using, easily catched by muforce. I will try to send him a mail.

For sure, resolving this 68k problems couls maybe make ANR more stable.

Don't know the problem with ATC. Allways working fine on the classic....

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But just out of curiousity, have you emailed Hyperion with details of some problems you've been having?

Maybe users, generally, not want to disturb hyperion and explain their problems on the forum and I think It's better like that but the thing we most a lot is a FAQ for the interesting things to know when beginning with AOS4.1.

For sure, some or most are on the docs but they are allways missing things.

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While I do empathise with your disappointment I still think the thread mightve been interesting if it was about what my 1st impression was, which is an infant who uses os4.x who has just turned 1 year old
I know there's some current amiga users who are too young to have been around in the Amigas heyday, but that'd have set a record that's hard to top

About this "non-reporting" to Hyperion and Acube about problems.

Since there is people enjoying their systems and others who have problems you should indeed report.

Maybe it is because Amigans were accustomed to having discontinued products as the only kind of products, but both Sams and OS4.1 are current commercial products so (aside from known issues that are about to be resolved, such as USB) you should inform them about your problems.
They will probably suggest quick fixes similar to those suggested here on the forums, but without spending months with a (somewhat)resolvable problem.

You might also be the first one to experience a particular issue which is something of major interest for developers (you help them out improving the system this way).

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COBRA wrote: @Cool_amigaN There have been a number of issues with OS4.1 on the Sam due to the Sam440's hardware being so much different to other hardware OS4 was developed on so far, that is why it was released in BETA state.

IMO, the problem starts with the different goals OS4.x and SAM serve. The hardware is geared toward the embedded market while OS4.x is a desktop OS. I can't see how these two could mix together. I do not believe that ACube had in their minds, while developing Sam, that their hardware would be used as a multimedia/internet/dtp/general desktop station (even with low requirements in each separate field). For example, many times I get 100% cpu cycles when trying to open some heavy webpages with OWB. And, from my experience over computers I understand that this behavior is caused mainly by the lack of power by the machine (e.g I had the very SAME problems, with the SAME webpages at my old PC -1GHz Athlon-, when upgraded to a a new core2duo and using the SAME version of Opera at the SAME webpages under the SAME OS, the problems were gone). A fine example of the limitations of Sam would be "Battle for Wesnoth", where scrolling when having to face multiple enemies on big maps is awful (and the cpu hits 100% continuously). Perhaps SAM does good -or excellent, I do not know- on embedded OS/applications but for the needs of a semi-modern desktop OS isn't exactly its place.

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A lot of work has been going on which fixes most problems people have encountered, some of these fixes have been released as hotfixes, but a large part of the system has been updated and improved so there will probably be a bigger update soon which resolves all of these problems.

Yeap! I have just heard from this thread that there will be a new and updated ISO. Well, that could be a reason in order to fire up my Sam again and install finally the proper version of OS4 in my machine!

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But just out of curiousity, have you emailed Hyperion with details of some problems you've been having? I'm just asking, because OS4 is being actively developed and if you have problems and you would like them fixed, it wouldn't be a bad idea to let them know that these problems exist! If you don't let them know about your problems, how can you expect them to be solved?

I honestly do not want to disturb people while they are working. I can imagine me, being on their position, I wouldn't want to have to face with end-users if I was a core-programmer. If there was a department of Hyperion where I could notify them, I would. But I think that some OS4 devs are hanging around here, so they could see the problems users are facing with.

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...and for example I don't understand why TuneNet is not suitable for you? There are dozens of plugins available for it for just about any audio format ever invented, and it handles internet radio just fine.

No way TuneNet! IMO, this is, by far, the best program in the amiga for music playback (LOTS of features) but 1/3 times it brings down my entire OS!

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For example, many times I get 100% cpu cycles when trying to open some heavy webpages with OWB. And, from my experience over computers I understand that this behavior is caused mainly by the lack of power by the machine (

I actually doubt this: Short periods of 100% CPU usage from software is *normal*. It just indicates that the software is doing something complex. For example, years ago someone complained about FolderSync1 using 100% usage - well this was completely expected, because it was doing detailed comparisons of two directory trees (after having previously scanned them).

A *more likely* explanation is that the way OWB is implemented means that it sometimes has to do some complex stuff to render particular parts of a web page. Whether that is due to OWB's portable rendering engine, or whether it is due to the Amiga GUI stuff that was added on to it, I can't say.

A faster CPU would *still* show 100% CPU usage, just for a shorter period.

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I had the very SAME problems, with the SAME webpages at my old PC -1GHz Athlon-, when upgraded to a a new core2duo and using the SAME version of Opera at the SAME webpages under the SAME OS, the problems were gone

You really can't compare problems on Windows to problems on AmigaOS, they are quite different beasts (AmigaOS is almost "real time" where-as Windows is not). Particular when running different software (OWB is *not* the same as Opera).

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I honestly do not want to disturb people while they are working.

I really don't understand this. It's like not going to the doctor when you feel ill, because you don't want to disturb him... Completely crazy! That's what the doctor (and Hyperion!) are there for.

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No way TuneNet! .... 1/3 times it brings down my entire OS!

Err, then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with your set-up. TuneNet is one of my most stable programs.

Are you using the QuickFix *with* the Debug Kernel?

Are you using the latest TuneNet? (I'm using 0.86.66)

What 3rd-party PlugIns are you using? These can make TuneNet VERY crashy (even for music files that they don't work with!). Get rid of ALL of them. Then see if it is still unstable. I can give a list of plugins that are stable for me.

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ChrisH wrote: @Cool_amigaN For example, many times I get 100% cpu cycles when trying to open some heavy webpages with OWB. And, from my experience over computers I understand that this behavior is caused mainly by the lack of power by the machine ( I actually doubt this: Short periods of 100% CPU usage from software is *normal*. It just indicates that the software is doing something complex. For example, years ago someone complained about FolderSync1 using 100% usage - well this was completely expected, because it was doing detailed comparisons of two directory trees (after having previously scanned them).

Yes, I agree, short periods would be normal. But *continuously* (at least all the time I am parsing X webpage) must be abnormal (or at least normal for the horse power of sam, when OWB tries to render the webpage?).

Look, it must have something to do with the hardware since it clearly almost puts my system on halt (e.g. even browsing into directories slows down when this is happening).

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]I had the very SAME problems, with the SAME webpages at my old PC -1GHz Athlon-, when upgraded to a a new core2duo and using the SAME version of Opera at the SAME webpages under the SAME OS, the problems were gone You really can't compare problems on Windows to problems on AmigaOS, they are quite different beasts (AmigaOS is almost "real time" where-as Windows is not). Particular when running different software (OWB is *not* the same as Opera).

Dunno, perhaps you are right, but I cannot miss, whilst the systems are different (hardware+software), that the problematic behavior is actually the exactly same.

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I honestly do not want to disturb people while they are working. I really don't understand this. It's like not going to the doctor when you feel ill, because you don't want to disturb him... Completely crazy! That's what the doctor (and Hyperion!) are there for.

I feel more comfortable to post issues here or at amigans.net or at the national amiga forum for my country instead of disturbing them for some matters while these few people have lots of work to do!

Also, I believe that most of the issues are known to them. Otherwise somebody would have told me: What? Why come your sam can't display 720p videos properly?Or: What? You are having stability issues? What? the dvi > vga adapter didn't work correctly? :P

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Err, then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with your set-up. TuneNet is one of my most stable programs. Are you using the QuickFix *with* the Debug Kernel? Are you using the latest TuneNet? (I'm using 0.86.66) What 3rd-party PlugIns are you using? These can make TuneNet VERY crashy (even for music files that they don't work with!). Get rid of ALL of them. Then see if it is still unstable. I can give a list of plugins that are stable for me.

Perhaps something is seriously right with your own system. All of my friends are having stability issues with TuneNet and you are the sole person I know who claims that TuneNet is rock solid on his system.

I haven't install Quick Fix, nor I will, since I 've read the many troubles which caused on others and I though that I am already experiencing unresolved problems, I wouldn't want to add more in that list.

Also, I do not have turned on the debug kernel and from what I 've read this might be a mistake from my side, since all are telling me that it is more stable.

Hmm... I can't remeber the third party add-ons of TuneNet I am using, I can tell you I have added some. Now I am at work, perhaps, if I find any interest when I get back home I will post them.

Anyway, I really appreciate your effort on helping me around since I started posting issues with my Sam :)

Perhaps, next time I boot my system will be for the next major update of OS4.1 on Sam, since I from what I am reading there will be a performance boost, fixed many stability issues and added more to the system.

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I have the 667ep and the only extra problem caused by installing the quickfix is a slight graphics corruption on the splash screen only.
A line of differrent colour pixels appear but that goes away when Workbench is loaded.
Only occurs when there are USB devices plugged in on boot.

As you are not happy with your system now and therefore not using it, you have nothing to lose by installing the quickfix.

The quickfix seems to have made the system more stable for most users.

The latest Tunenet does have some issues but the dev reckons he has most pf these sorted and a new release is iminent.
The only problem I have with the latest is I can longer enter my own url for a station.
Doing this now locks the whole system.

Using Mplayer to get round that at them min.

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I really don't understand this. It's like not going to the doctor when you feel ill, because you don't want to disturb him... Completely crazy! That's what the doctor (and Hyperion!) are there for.

I think users reports on developpers (if they manage to use english) but IMHO most of us don't want to report to hyperion, maybe:

- Don't know how to do that (email adress or forum ???)
- Let hyperion mmebers developping and debugging.
- Try to found help on forums (if by a change hyperion or an amiga members know how resolving the problem).

Maybe the guys who try to contact hyperion maybe never received answers ???

EDIT: using kernel.debug and videos (some but maybe most - .mpg) are black (with dvplayer registered). Verry funny...

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Look, it must have something to do with the hardware since it clearly almost puts my system on halt (e.g. even browsing into directories slows down when this is happening).

Hmmm, do you have DMA enabled? I assume yes, but need to check.

Perhaps it is just some mad Javascript on the pages you are viewing?

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I haven't install Quick Fix, nor I will, since I 've read the many troubles which caused on others and I though that I am already experiencing unresolved problems, I wouldn't want to add more in that list.

THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM! OS4.1 was not particularly stable until the QuickFix. The QuickFix works great, BUT only when you enable the Debug Kernel.

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Also, I do not have turned on the debug kernel and from what I 've read this might be a mistake from my side, since all are telling me that it is more stable.

The debug kernel is already enabled for the copy of OS4.1 you have. The Quick Fix disables it, and for some reason this causes all sorts of problems. So you need to re-enable it.

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using kernel.debug and videos (some but maybe most - .mpg) are black (with dvplayer registered). Verry funny.

Not noticed any such problem here, when using the Quick Fix.

Are you using the latest DvPlayer? I have v0.65, registered.

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@Mrodfr
I don't report bugs to Hyperion, becouse they not fix these bugs about i talk many times already.

Other ppls do not report bugs, becouse there is not clear email adress for support. I think Hyperion must to create some mail account, and always print it out on TOP of all the updates, etc, where ppls can send bugreports. Maybe create some "form" for bugreport (to disallow stoopid bug reports) , or somethink like that.

At moment i know that many bugs are ppls know, but that all not sorted out normally. Everyone just in hope that everythink will be fixed in upcoming update :)

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@kas1e

Yes its not easy to know who to report a bug to. Also if you have suggestions to some part in the OS etc. At same time i think many people will report bugs even if its 3rd party bugs or something in their system so this would mean alot of unusable reports. But a thing like in os4depot would be fine. A bugtracker. That way people would see if a bug is fixed etc.

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Not noticed any such problem here, when using the Quick Fix.Are you using the latest DvPlayer? I have v0.65, registered.

EDIT: finally work. I have really switched OFF the amiga and restart and the .mpg tested was all black and now reactivated kernel.debug and switch OFF tha amiga and restart and now videos are correct. Not understand.and verry sorry for this false problem

Don't know that kernel.debug was activated in the start and desactivated by quickfix and MUST be enabled for a more stable system. BTW, I have a stable system WITH kernel activated only.

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Yes its not easy to know who to report a bug to. Also if you have suggestions to some part in the OS etc. At same time i think many people will report bugs even if its 3rd party bugs or something in their system so this would mean alot of unusable reports. But a thing like in os4depot would be fine. A bugtracker. That way people would see if a bug is fixed etc.

That would be great is bugs and problems on AOS4 are public and could see if resolved or not and possible to post our problems.

I know what to do with 3rd parties bugs or suggestions but no with AOS4 itself.
How knowing if AOS4 team know a problem and if not known, how could report the problem to the AOS4 team............

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At moment i know that many bugs are ppls know, but that all not sorted out normally. Everyone just in hope that everythink will be fixed in upcoming update :)

yes, for sure you are right. And if all USB medias the user have not recognized and if FAT partition not work (an example), the user will be disapointed

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Perhaps something is seriously right with your own system. All of my friends are having stability issues with TuneNet and you are the sole person I know who claims that TuneNet is rock solid on his system.

TuneNet is the most used piece of software on Aos4.1 and you must be the sole person not using it (just ask around all Aos4.1 users whether they use TuneNet or not, I'm not kidding, do ask).

Morover it is absolutely impossible that by installing the Quickfix (and by re-enabling the de-bug kernel manually) you would get a worst system because it is clear that your set up is the most screwe*up in the whole 4.1 population (bad luck there).

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I could never understand why there's no way to report a bug unless you are an OS4 betatester. And there's no list of betatesters so people cannot contact one even if they wanted to. All that is left is going public in the forums, hoping that the devs will notice. Waste of time, waste of potential.

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