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Rob 
Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 24-Dec-2009 21:48:06
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What does that mean? How can it be exclusive when other people have rights to it? Hyperion and Claonto for example both have "rights" to 3.1 so basically the may have perpetual world wide rights, but it's obviously not exclusive.


They are completely different contracts.
Hyperion is the only one that has rights to use the 3.1 source to further develop AmigaOS, therefore their rights are exclusive.
Cloanto only have the rights for distribution and sale of the of the original 1.0x to 3.1 binaries and data.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 25-Dec-2009 10:40:05
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@Rob

The first source of information regarding ownership and exclusive license rights (which are two separate issues legally) is the recently entered stipulated judgment by the Federal Court in Seattle.

It is not only more recent but it is a judgment by a court of law which everyone needs to abide by, even parties who were not directly involved in the litigation.

In the legal order a judgment by a court has more value than a contract concluded between private parties.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 25-Dec-2009 13:20:09
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So what does it matter to you?

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 25-Dec-2009 19:47:14
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It's about the legal status of Boing Bag 3. It matters to us if it is or isn't and if we can or cannot have a news item on the site about it.

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Re: Who owns what?
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@Seer

If that is true, a post on a public forum seems a strange way to determine that. Surely a private mail would have a much more direct and efficient effect...

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It's about the legal status of Boing Bag 3. It matters to us if it is or isn't and if we can or cannot have a news item on the site about it.

The legal status of BoingBag 3 is obvious: It's not legal. It contains AmigaOS modules, hence it has to be considered illegal until the maintainer of this product steps forwards and tells us that he got a license and where he got it.

If you're actually not concerned about the legal status, but want to know if there's an IP owner willing to and/or capable of prosecuting parties pirating his IP, the answer is a lot more complicated - the situation is similar to OS4: code derived from 3.1 belongs to Amiga (both Amiga and Hyperion can prosecute people pirating 3.1 code), 3.5/3.9 specific code belongs to its respective authors (many external individuals, plus some modules written by H&P inhouse), the distribution rights were licensed to H&P but that license may or may not be canceled by now (depending on whom you ask - Amiga or H&P).

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Seer 
Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 25-Dec-2009 21:08:27
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@rigo

We did, it just took time before we got a reply from them. So Tomaz thought it could also make a nice topic since things have changed recently.

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Re: Who owns what?
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@rigo

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If that is true, a post on a public forum seems a strange way to determine that. Surely a private mail would have a much more direct and efficient effect...


As Seer wrote above.

This thread was more of general interest, due to the a bit messy state of the ownership and rights of the different versions of AmigaOS.

Emails were sent as well.

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tomazkid 
Re: Who owns what?
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Well, it is funny, but this thread actually can be reused.

anyway, Workbench is apparently a trademark registered by Cloanto.

Explains a few recent events.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 3-Mar-2011 2:56:51
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@tomazkid

Once again:

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2011-03-00002-DE.html

Sorry for German only atm.

"Amiga" forever...ironic.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 3-Mar-2011 10:30:17
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@rigo

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If that is true, a post on a public forum seems a strange way to determine that. Surely a private mail would have a much more direct and efficient effect...


The trouble with that of course is depending on which company/individual you talk to, they might have different claims to the rights based on whatever bar napkin they happen to have in their safe.

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1Mouse 
Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 3-Mar-2011 14:14:08
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What about Amiga name variations?

Amiga - Amiga Inc
Amiga OS - ?
AmigaOS - Hyperion
A1 - Eyetech
AmigaOne - Eyetech

Just curious

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pavlor 
Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 3-Mar-2011 14:35:41
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Amiga OS - ?


Hyperion.

Quote:
AmigaOne - Eyetech


Hyperion (and also "Amiga One" according to the September 30 Settlement Agreement).

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Amiga - Amiga Inc
Amiga OS - ?
AmigaOS - Hyperion
A1 - Eyetech
AmigaOne - Eyetech


All trademarks are owned by Amiga Inc. Some of those trademarks are exclusively licensed to Hyperion. Hyperion owns the OS4 source code and can use OS 3.1 code and distribute it exclusively.

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Re: Who owns what?
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Sure, all these trademarks are owned by Amiga.Inc. However, only Hyperion can use AmigaOS/Amiga OS/AmigaOne/Amiga One names and Amiga OS source codes. Yes, it is not ownership, but it is really close to it.

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All trademarks are owned by Amiga Inc.


What about Lotus Pacific then ?

http://www.cucug.org/amiga/aminews/1997/ai970722.html

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 3-Mar-2011 19:49:04
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@tomazkid

Please refer to my post #8 of this thread.

The related grouping - Newstar Electronic Corporation
Rightiming Electronics Corporation
Regent Electronics Corp.
Lotus Pacific Inc.
were an unknown element when Cloanto mentioned them long ago.

They were not mentioned in the list after the Amiga Inc./Hyperion settlement.

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persia 
Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 4-Mar-2011 14:44:30
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Does Amiga Inc have the right to distribute UAE with aOS roms? It appears that C=USA think they do.

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number6 
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Posted on 4-Mar-2011 14:49:51
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@persia

That might depend on this one, and by "one" I mean this name mentioned in settlement and what they might have rights to:

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Envizion: worldwide rights to kickstart modules


Can not say for sure. This name has changed many times.
It's included "inc." and been spelled "Envision".

In 2006, they called it "Envizions Computer Entertainment Corporation"

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=27283&forum=2


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pavlor 
Re: Who owns what?
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Does Amiga Inc have the right to distribute UAE with aOS roms?


Yes they can distribute ROMs, but Workbench UI must be hidden.

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