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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 4-Mar-2011 15:07:40
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@pavlor

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Yes they can distribute ROMs, but Workbench UI must be hidden.


Well, if you can clearly outline who Amiga Inc. IS atm, I would be interested,
since I've tied Itec to the iContain deal without anyone denying it as of yet.
And we still have the individuals within the company who might think they own individual parts of it.

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Re: Who owns what?
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@tomaz*bumper*

Updated post #39, info on Envi(s)(z)ions (inc.) and all other renamings. heh.

Adding some Ironstone Partners info for those who don't know:

http://8bc.org/wiki/index.php/DTV_64

and

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=20665

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Nice find.

Regarding China, is Amiga used in any new products using the Lotus Pacific license?



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ok. The english translation of the Cloanto report from cgutjahr is now available:

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2011-03-00002-EN.html

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Re: Who owns what?
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@cgutjahr

Can you clarify the 3rd trademark "Powered by Amiga"?

Would it be correct to say that one expired?

If so, then what would that mean to anyone else wishing to use it?

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Next week, Cloanto will trademark "Drawer" and "Tool" as well.

It's pathetic, really.

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@kolla

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Next week, Cloanto will trademark "Drawer" and "Tool" as well.


I want to trademark "3 drawers short of a full installation", which applies to a lot of the posts we see nowadays.

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I found this by the Swedes to be helpful (hope it's not redundant):

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Yes, nice with a graphical map,
but that one does not contain "Workbench", or the China/Far East.

Though, would guess Shoe will update it when he gets the time

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@tomazkid

hmm...file access for shoes's .pdf now requires authorization.


Back to topic. I see people still arguing about what the settlement agreement is NOT. Let's try a post on what it IS, instead.

http://www.justia.com/dictionary/stipulated-judgment.html

agreement...yes....settlement...yes, but in the end it "becomes" a judgment by definition. Hope that helps.

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Re: Who owns what?
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@thread

Just a brief update since a few comments have been made recently and an action taken as well.

@persia

Quote:
Does Amiga Inc have the right to distribute UAE with aOS roms?


Regardless of the answer to that, we now see an action by Hyperion regarding such distribution, if that helps.

Quote:
Introducing the new Emulation drawer with official AmigaOS 3.x ROMs and Workbench files. AmigaOS ROMs are provided for all classic Amiga models and the CD32 platform.
Added RunInUAE contribution to utilize the new Emulation drawer.

source - AmigaOS 4.1 Update 4 Released


Many comments in the thread have been fairly consistent regarding OS3.5/9, but I thought I would post a few newer comments.

December, 2011:
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The 3.5 and 3.9 updates strictly consisted of updated material and contributions by 3rd party developers: Amiga International did not own the end product in any way whatsoever.

Big chunks of 3.5/3.9 came from the publisher Haage & Partner, who chose not to continue further product development after the 3.9 release. This is also part of the reason why there is none of the Haage & Partner developed code in the OS 4 release.


credit Olsen

August, 2011:
Quote:
AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 was developed by Haage & Partner who retain the source code to this day.


credit ssolie(several relevant posts)

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@tomazkid

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tomazkid wrote:
Who has the rights to AmigaOS 1.x and 2.x ?

Hyperion Entertainment has the right to AmigaOS 3.1 to develop AmigaOS 4.x ?

Haage and Partner has the rights to AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9?

Cloanto has the right to use OS 1.x, 2.x and 3.x in AmigaForever?

Does anyone here know who owns what in this mess?



Answer = No-One...

Cloanto only have a license to distribute them as part of their Amiga Forever package and under that license you are not allowed by law to make copies of them to use on a real Amiga...

I've said it many times before because of all the past legal cases, the liquidation of Commodore, unsigned contracts, contracts that weren't signed within the legal time frame, missing signatures, missing paperwork etc... Which all led to any of the later legal rulings/ decisions made in favour of A.inc & Hyperion to be actually invalid...

ANY ONE who could afford to hire a decent legal team could prove almost all contracts or legal rulings invalid due to the very simple facts that there were too many legal errors made in the early days which were either ignored or not even disclosed before the signing of later contracts or legal rulings...

I'm surprised no one has ever realised this (especially Number 6 who seems to study these things a lot) and has not seen the very obvious legal mistakes that were made when Commodore first filed for liquidation...

The answers are all out there on the net but it's a very long, tedious & boring task going through everything and spotting these glaring legal errors that were made right at the start of it all...

So in reality no-one actually legally owns much of it at all...

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I'm surprised no one has ever realised this (especially Number 6 who seems to study these things a lot) and has not seen the very obvious legal mistakes that were made when Commodore first filed for liquidation...


You assume I'm compiling this in order to express my own conclusions?
No. I merely quote whom I feel are reasonable sources, as well as news articles. I leave it to others to draw conclusions, if they so choose.

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Nevermind, didn't realize this was a dead thread being brought back to life.

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@thread

For what it is worth, from Amiga Inc.'s own wiki:

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In 2010 Commodore USA acquired rights to the Amiga name.


Source

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@Franko

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I've said it many times before because of all the past legal cases, the liquidation of Commodore, unsigned contracts, contracts that weren't signed within the legal time frame, missing signatures, missing paperwork etc... Which all led to any of the later legal rulings/ decisions made in favour of A.inc & Hyperion to be actually invalid.


Exactly free Amiga stance, however no-one has legally proven this and challenged Amiga Inc (and partially Hyperion as sub licensee).

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@vox

Vox you don't have a clue about law ...

You wouldn't understand difference between legal
right , obligation , judgment , jurisdiction , license or
intelectual property to save your life ...


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Exactly free Amiga stance, however no-one has legally
proven this and challenged Amiga Inc (and partially Hyperion
as sub licensee).


And that is also wrong ... One important thing to note here is
that HyperionMP didn't make any false legal statements here
on this issue so far ...

But he did let people say and believe in false legal statements
(not that it would be to his advantage or his job to correct them).

One thing to notice here is that nobody is taking AEon into account
and they have all sort legal implications being hardware manufacturing
company making AmigaOne computers and selling AmigaOS ...

As much as Hyperion gets his right from Amiga Inc. (yes licensee
"gets" it's right from the owner and if the owner is no longer in
possession of those rights licensee looses them too) Aeon "gets"
his rights from Hyperion ...

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Vox you don't have a clue about law ...


Yes I don`t. As social worker, I am up to Family and Social Insurance Laws,
intellectual rights are area of special expertise, even for lawyars.

However, my common understanding is that as long Amiga Inc exists
they are the solely legal owners of those names.

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And that is also wrong ... One important thing to note here is that HyperionMP didn't make any false legal statements here on this issue so far ...


Good. I am having a hard time grasping who is the negative guy here?

Not that I like the way Hyperion MP and Steven communicate, but they consider
that to be professionalism. But my stance is that Amiga Inc just didn`t know what to do
with AmigaOS (they did promised some ACK related hardware) and that Hyperion did
all the job, as well as that Acube/A-EON are nice AmigaOne continuation that offer
support and progress, even at heavy prices. Its way better then to period when there
was no hardware and OS progress was even slower (sometime between OS 4.0 Classic
and OS 4.1.1)

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As much as Hyperion gets his right from Amiga Inc. (yes licensee "gets" it's right from the owner and if the owner is no longer in possession of those rights licensee looses them too) Aeon "gets" his rights from Hyperion ...


I do believe AmigaOne and AmigaOS trademarks are kind of passed to Hyperion for sublicensing, instead of A-EON getting them from Amiga Inc. Since there is a court document of this, Amiga Inc death (looking forward to it) would not endanger those two brands. And empty nutshell name has been raped several times by now by other licensees

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@vox

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However, my common understanding is that as
long Amiga Inc exists they are the solely legal owners
of those names.


No that is wrong ... Amiga Inc. "owns" name Amiga to be used
to create computer and can make Amiga computers or give
that right (for huge amount of money) to someone ... *these* they
just own , can't give Also *AmigaOne* and *Amiga One* ... Same for
"*Amiga OS**" and "*AmigaOS*" ...

Anyone could start making "AmigaResearch OS" as long that Os
has it's logo and doesn't cause confusion to the existing brand ...
If Morphos (crazy example to prove a point) was to change name
to "AmigaResearch OS" and create it's own logo (different from
AmigaOS logo) and start selling their os (which is owned and
copyrighted by them and a completely different product from
AmigaOS) they would be legaly "right" , and morally too...

This is just an example , I have no knowledge about any
such plans.If A Inc. was to sue (or Hyperion) they would
be wrong but people don't like that sort of thing hanging
over their heads so steps should be taken to avoid any
chance for a success of such legal action (hence there
would be no legal action , better hire a lawyer upfront then.
when you're sued already and it's too late)

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Good. I am having a hard time grasping who is the
negative guy here?


Negative guy is the one who sues Vox because nobody in
the existing market has interest to take another court case
to battle for this tiny market.Bill McEwen went through a
couple of bankruptcies but he probably still has more than
enough money hidden somewhere to pay lawyers to start
causing hell again and Hyperion has economic interest not
to see Morphos or Aros on the market so they could take
legal manouvers to stop that.And Aeon is sitting on the same
legal chair as Hyperion.

As all of this is happening users are building their own
hardware and writing their own software and this kind
of situation is impossible to maintain for long.

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@number6
That is from our collective wikipedia. Feel free to correct it if you wish. Some fellow who calls himself "Xorxos" seems to think it is correct.

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