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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 0:58:45
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I have a hunch. Want to bet $10? Raw benchmark numbers. (I just need to find someone with Quad G5) |
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 2:54:45
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| Has anyone tried www.a-eon.net/4.html and entering PA6T for the CPU?
And the specs for your Quad core PowerMac G5:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_quad_2.5.html
It used the IBM 970MP rather than the IBM 970fx in the earlier single core (single and dual CPU) models.
Interesting to note that the Dual 970FX 2GHz PowerMac G5 outperformed the single CPU, dual core 970MP 2GHz PowerMac G5.
The 970MP based models had Dual Channel 533MHz DDR2 RAM, whereas the earlier models had Dual Channel 400MHz DDR (except some early model 333MHz).
The 970MP had PCIe as well. So the new X1000 mobo is not too far removed.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 3:43:51
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I thought Apple bought out PA Semi because they wanted to be the only ones using PPC and so killed it off?
If they are still around this is good to hear.
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If x1000 has that 2Ghz dualcore chip, it might be the fastest PPC computer that has ever been produced. Let's hope.... |
Nah, didn't those IBM Linux machines touted here as the best replacement run at 4Ghz? IIRC they had four cores! Which means they could still run rings around the PC.
I notice the PC seems to be stuck at a 3.2HGhz ceiling. Haha. They can't make the PC faster so they just add more CPU's. Cheaters! Last edited by Hypex on 10-Jan-2010 at 05:09 AM.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 4:10:01
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Surely you meant http://www.a-eon.com/4.html
And if you tried any of these: titan e600 8641D 8640D QorIQ P2020 p4080 pa6t 970mp 83290 pwrficient
It would give the same 'reply'. You can find all the possibilities in the http://www.a-eon.com/4.js It's the javascript that runs the little popup boxes.
I'm not sure if any of the above share a common link (apart from being PPC), but that's the list it understands for that particular response.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 4:18:12
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 5:04:52
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| @opi and general thread
How can you, or anyone in this thread even compare a G5 mac, can a G5 mac support upto 256 additional cores via an expansion??
Answer, AFAIK NO
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We are only comparing the base models onboard CPU are we?? Because then OK, fair enough perhaps.
But if we compared the overall board, the board with the expansion Xena and Xorro, as far as I can tell from what Ive read, It would kick G5 macs (edit) a.s.s (edit) hands down with the purpose this X1000 board has in mind, which is for high end imagery, etc, etc, as stated by the OSnews website, and the A-eon website with the boards features and capabilities. www.a-eon.com/6.html http://www.osnews.com/story/22693/New_Amiga_Sports_Programmable_Co-Processor_Dualcore_PPC
So again, can someone here fill me in on how or why a G5 mac out dated board (2006) would apparently be better than this X1000 board??
To me as I see it, at the moment I cant see a logical explanation on how a G5 mac board is better??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G5
After reading the wiki, I still am unsure on how a G5 board is better than the soon to be X1000 board (given the fact of the expansions available to the X1000 board to be), maybe someone can clarify and elaborate for me and exaplain this to me, so I get an understanding here.
So far the G5 mac massive advantage is in being able to have 16GB RAM, and to top it off, the PowerPC 970 processor is capable of addressing 4 terrabytes of physical memory, but it does not mention anywhere, that they ever did this.
But is this not different to the potential of the X1000 board and 256 cores. I mean you could potentially have 8 x 16 gigabyte core blocks on this board no? Assuming per block it utilises 2 ghz Chips?? Which in turn means, the limit of the 8 blocks, is limited to the chips, so if one can get 1 terrabyte chips, its already over G5 mac no? Not sure what XMOS has available though. Or am I totally misunderstanding this here?
http://www.xmos.com/technology
Thank you for answering fairly here, this is a serious wonder to me how and why anyone would bother comparing it to a mobo like the G5 as the overall purpose of the X1000 seems to be aimed elsewhere.
Cheers. (and yes I may be totally wrong here, but thats fine, atleast the people that answer this will clarify things for me and help me understand if I am thinking the correct wavelength)
P.S. IMHO this X1000 mobo is going to kick ####, especially in its expansion ability, and overall design of being able to support further cores. Perhaps it is good for what its purpose and target markets will be, but as an overall end user board, I will not complain having this as my next generation Amiga board. Last edited by Gebrochen on 10-Jan-2010 at 05:08 AM.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 5:31:40
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 5:47:07
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How can you, or anyone in this thread even compare a G5 mac, can a G5 mac support upto 256 additional cores via an expansion?? |
Well, think desktop.
You really need 256 cores? Also, how would such a tower look like?
There has been so many hints from Hyperion side on embedded this and that, so guess this can be it.
What it means to AmigaOS as a desktop for home use, is still to see.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 5:48:39
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 7:53:58
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 9:11:26
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I thought Apple bought out PA Semi because they wanted to be the only ones using PPC and so killed it off? |
Erhm, Apple bought out PA Semi two or three years after they went Intel only. They needed PA for custom chips that will be used in iPhone and in future, tablet._________________ OpenWindows Initiative. Port PS3 hardware to bananas. For free. Join today and receive expired $50 cupon from AI! |
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 9:23:06
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can a G5 mac support upto 256 additional cores via an expansion?? |
Riiight, right. Right. If you think that XMOS will be some kind of powerhouse or Amiga savior you're in for hard awakening. You don't even know if XMOS chip is connected to main CPU.
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We are only comparing the base models onboard CPU are we?? |
Stop drinking kool-aid, man. Again, it's SAM's FPGA music all over again. Let me know after someone will do something it. For me, on desktop, RAW CPU power, please.
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So again, can someone here fill me in on how or why a G5 mac out dated board (2006) would apparently be better than this X1000 board?? |
The same way car build by Fiat in '80 is better than car made by me today? AmigaOne was released when? Did it outperform Mac G4? Sam was released when? Did it outperform AmigaOne?
So, you're saying that you base your prediction on datestamps?
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Yes. XMOS will not turn board into something faster. It's a add on you can plug into any computer with USB. And if you think that there will be software that will utilize XMOS (if you can use it from OS) then you have no idea how hard is parallel programming. There are times when you don't even want to go multicore because every bit of gain you get over threading your software is lost on threads communication. _________________ OpenWindows Initiative. Port PS3 hardware to bananas. For free. Join today and receive expired $50 cupon from AI! |
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 9:35:28
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http://xcore.com/projects/rfactor-and-xmos-xc-5
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However, a completely-unlike-X1000 setup.
The XCore is on the LED end of a USB cable. At the computer end, data is just shoved into a (virtual) serial port.
Having the XCore on the motherboard would be rather useless for an application like this, because the LED circle is obviously *not* meant to be inside the case, and the LED driving electronics, for practical reasons, need to be near the LEDs themselves.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 10:29:43
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The same way car build by Fiat in '80 is better than car made by me today? |
well I have a 900kg ford RS2000 with a Zetech (modern) engine in it as a comparison.... it beats all my mates cars with similar spec's hands down & even a few turbo-ed /V8 cars too.
OS4 is pretty light weight that's a good start so now we just need to get that modern engine in.... ;)
I dont care if its not the fastest PPC comp ever ..... it would be nice but I just want this at a good/practical price (yes, I know)
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the Xmos chips cant be expected to be supported in a way useful to current games/destop apps. I also doubt that someone will get that many just to be that fast!! Last edited by Panthro on 10-Jan-2010 at 10:33 AM.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 11:02:02
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| @BigBentheAussie There is NO way you can guess the maker of a new mobo from a *completely different* mobo. You will simply find to many "sort of similar" candidates, since all reasonably modern mobos will tend to be somewhat similar.
And as others have said, a PA Semi processor seems extremely unlikely due to fact that you have to have special connections (and probably lots of money) to stand any chance of getting them.
Your thread title should be changed to "X1000 mobo makers found??" (note the question marks at the end). Last edited by ChrisH on 10-Jan-2010 at 11:03 AM.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 11:03:31
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We do not yet know what XCore will be used at. It's not very good in generic computer tasks acceleration.
GPU, another PowerPC, Cell, etc. put on PCIx slot(s) would most likely be the best way to go for most desktop computation acceleration needs.
XCore can be used for other things. We will see what happens.
Anyway, I if we get that embedded 2Ghz PA6T kind of CPU (1GhzDDR,2M L2,...), we have insanely powerfull system for every thing we want to do. (and far more less power consuming than old G5 Macs) But perhaps that would be too optimistic. Let's see what happens.
Update: it could be even 2x1Ghz 64bit DDR2 speed, time will tell if.... Last edited by KimmoK on 11-Jan-2010 at 03:49 PM.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 11:42:03
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How can you, or anyone in this thread even compare a G5 mac, can a G5 mac support upto 256 additional cores via an expansion?? |
Each XCore core "only" has about 400 MIPS. And even using the quad core version there's only 256K RAM per chip, and you don't have direct access to system RAM. It's not in any way comparable.
That said, yes, a G5 mac can support just as many XCore chips via an expansion if anyone cares to make the chip, exactly the same as for the X1000.
I'm thinking a lot about what I could use Xena for, but the appeal is not raw performance. It's competing with DSPs, microcontrollers, FPGAs and ASICs, not the main CPU.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 12:00:34
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 12:02:25
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I think XCore is for "realtime performance". It might offload some stuff from the CPU and do some things more reliably than the CPU.
about CPU... I think CES did not reveal anything PPC relevant stuff. Next is http://www.power.org/events/designcon10 ?? Last edited by KimmoK on 10-Jan-2010 at 12:09 PM.
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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot) Posted on 10-Jan-2010 12:30:28
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You know it is the opposite now on same HW?
Why compare X1000 to a Quad G5 2,7Ghz?? Maybe we will get similiar performance with a good and light OS and for Amiga it is enough now. We'll see. _________________ ikir |
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