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Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 13:44:58
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| Had a nice chat with a Haiku fan who wanted to point out the amazing media ability of HaikuOS. Decided to show what is Aros Media Performance like. So buckle up and here we go. Note this is a 3ghz iMica Pro, price £250. Also shows how good HDAudio device driver is with up to 32 audio channels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjL7M72jM8Y
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 14:02:56
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Nice reference point for x1000 to beat. (it might have roughly 4Ghz to use for videoplay without HW acceleration) Last edited by KimmoK on 25-Mar-2010 at 02:11 PM. Last edited by KimmoK on 25-Mar-2010 at 02:04 PM.
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 14:06:20
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Very impressive. I need to start playing with more of this stuff... finding the time, must... find.... more time!
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 14:10:02
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 21:55:01
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 22:41:30
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"only iMica makes it possible" :D |
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 23:30:40
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very impressive video !
Was the HD video x264 ?
I would like to see how many HD videos can be run before it starts slowing down.
What is the CPU usage with multiple videos running ?
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 25-Mar-2010 23:34:26
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| @clusteruk How is the performance with fullscreen videos? Also does vsync work?
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 0:33:35
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Could be nice to know the format and bitrate of the videos, otherwise we are unable to properly compare the performance, i think.
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 4:06:37
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 9:41:55
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OK, the small videos were old 320x240 Intel Indeo video now unsupported on Windows, this was one of the first "full screen" video formats and I used them on a Samsung CDRom project I created in 1994. At the time it was absolutely ground breaking, before that I had used Amigas to create video and audio synched on one of the Amiga User International cover disks but that was half the resolution
The Newtek ones are downloaded from youtube in mp4 format using ffh264 video codec in 480x360 resolution.
The blender one is .mov file and apparantly in ffh264 as well according to properties in mplayer and at 960x540 resolution.
Have run a test with the blender video and two run smoothly, three glitch a little bit in the graphics but sound is ok. I can run four Blenders videos but hard to tell if sound is glitching because brain cannot decipher four audio stream, video glitches a little bit more but they are still watchable. However, I only have 1280x1024 so cannot see them all independantly.
Hope that helps.
Steve Still not bad though Last edited by clusteruk on 26-Mar-2010 at 09:42 AM.
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 10:44:56
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRVdnpBSE9U
This is a test on a 1600x1200 reolution on my tv running up to four of the blender videos at 960x540 each. remember this is completely non accelerated vesa drivers and will get better with native drivers.
Perhaps Pascal could run the same test on an Ares as that is using NVidia card over PCI-E bus which is always a factor.
Or maybe Paolo who I know has a system with 1920x1080 system running with high speed NVidia gfx over a wide data bus.. _________________ Amiga 1000, 3000D Toaster, Checkmate A1500 Plus http://www.checkmate1500plus.com/ |
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 12:19:06
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A very good advert for VESA! Gallium3D has its own drivers, so until we have a composited graphics display in AROS, VESA drivers are fine in a lot of cases.
The main problem is the one on AROS-Exec, which is graphics chips giving a restrictive choice of VESA resolutions, including no wide-screen modes.
You'd think mobile graphics chips would provide common laptop resolutions like 1280x800 but I don't think that's the case even now, is it?
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 12:31:14
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On Intel based chips which basically covers a huge amount of laptops and most netbooks I believe, we have an intel patch which enables wide screen vesa modes. But again only on Intel gfx chips. _________________ Amiga 1000, 3000D Toaster, Checkmate A1500 Plus http://www.checkmate1500plus.com/ |
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 12:49:27
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Another test allows two 1280x560 videos to play at same time with very slight video glitching but audio is fine. _________________ Amiga 1000, 3000D Toaster, Checkmate A1500 Plus http://www.checkmate1500plus.com/ |
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 12:55:31
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| @clusteruk: what about showing how slow/sluggish window move is whith so many windows ? Espacially when moving the frontmost window... Show us how smooth your high-resolution video becomes when moving it in front of every other ones...
That's where Haiku is great. And that's where you notice a true nice designed OS... and a simpler one.
/me tired of seeing the very same AROS demos since 10 years... Would be great to see true improvement... SMP support, and CPU usage comparison.
Now, would be great to see how long it takes for AROS to drain a laptop's battery when compared with Haiku.
An OS is not about running static windows as fast as possible... It's about being efficient on laptops, taking advantage of the hardware, etc... AROS is a reimplementation of AmigaOS which was already fast on slow 68k: no surprise it absolutely flies on intel hardware... The only problem is that because its design flows, it may fly into the wall quite fast too, and without any parachute (no memory protection, no resource tracking: boom !)
I'm fed up to see a 20 years OS running on 2010 hardware... I wish I could see a true 2010 AmigaOS taking advantage of 2010 hardware... Last edited by Leo on 26-Mar-2010 at 01:01 PM. Last edited by Leo on 26-Mar-2010 at 12:55 PM.
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 13:02:16
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Leo wrote: @clusteruk: what about showing how slow/sluggish window move is whith so many windows ? Espacially when moving the frontmost window... Show us how smooth your high-resolution video becomes when moving it in front of every other ones...
That's where Haiku is great. And that's where you notice a true nice designed OS... and a simpler one. |
I have no doubt AROS can live up to that too, the problem is somebody needs to find the time to work on it, deadwood is working on merging out nvidia.hidd and the Gallium nouveau driver so maybe that will help. When that is ready I could give you another test with my Nvidia card. Meanwhile AROS is my main interest and Haiku not my cup of tea.
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This is where AROS is heading, if you wanna help it reach there faster just donate some money to a bounty for example or start coding.Last edited by Manu on 26-Mar-2010 at 01:05 PM.
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 13:13:00
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Battery power. I don't know I'm pretty sure there's a bounty for acpi which is required for putting a cpu in an idle state. So right now battery life sucks honestly but that will change in time.
How fast do windows move. That depends on your video card. My radeon 4670 moves windows quite well no sign of slowdown. Last edited by terminills on 26-Mar-2010 at 01:14 PM.
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 13:21:11
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clusteruk wrote: Had a nice chat with a Haiku fan who wanted to point out the amazing media ability of HaikuOS. Decided to show what is Aros Media Performance like. So buckle up and here we go. Note this is a 3ghz iMica Pro, price £250. Also shows how good HDAudio device driver is with up to 32 audio channels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjL7M72jM8Y
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i made similar test with BeOS on 500 mhz pentium ages ago.Well i made a real live important test; hoe easy is intentionally made the system go down.On the same system Windows XP was as easy to crash as to start a few critical 3-4 programs.Linux was relatively easy to crash programs but the system keeps stable.And i was bored to start programs on BEOS and not slow down and not crashLast edited by Fransexy on 26-Mar-2010 at 01:21 PM.
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Re: Video, Aros Media Performance Posted on 26-Mar-2010 13:39:21
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Please do not turn this into a Haiku vs Aros thread.
I just wanted to show what Aros in its current form works like and that is all, I did not make any complaint about Haiku as it is a fine OS and yet you have turned it round to that.
To be fair window movement was not sluggish, I just did not show that to great effect but in the second video you see me move the blender movie and that was perfectly smooth.
Edit: I have Haiku on my computer here and will run the same test and video it, how about that, is that fair.
Last edited by clusteruk on 26-Mar-2010 at 01:40 PM.
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