Drivers for their cards would be a great benefit.

From old school G450 to newest ones, all have dual video out
and best software. They go higher then ATI, but display is always
excellent and OpenGL nice.

I even remember it was supposed to be the default Amiga GFX.
Allnew Matrox GFX.

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amatrox.html


Amiga and Matrox Form Strategic Alliance

Amiga Inc and Matrox are pleased to announce the creation of a strategic alliance between the two companies.
"Amiga has always been about excellent 2D and video, and in working closely with Matrox, we can take that to the next level and beyond" said Fleecy Moss, VP of technology at Amiga. "3D is a relatively new thing for the Amiga, and with what Matrox have up their sleeves, the next wave of Amigas are going to turn 3D fiction into 3D reality."

"Matrox is always pleased to have an opportunity to assist in developing third party products," says Alain Thiffault, product manager, Matrox Graphics. "Amiga has a history of offering a solid platform and we’re happy to provide resources for their future products."

About Amiga

Amiga Incorporated is dedicated to creating a multi-media operating environment, enabling developers and users to experience a new level of enjoyment. As it was in the early 80’s, Amiga is ready to introduce the next level of computing.

About Matrox

Matrox Graphics Inc. is the only graphics chip designer and graphics card manufacturer who draws on 24 years of industry experience to provide customers with state-of-the-art 2D, 3D and digital video acceleration, vibrant image quality and real-world functionality. A quality and innovation leader, Matrox has been recognized with an unprecedented 900 international awards for the Millennium, Marvel, Productiva and Mystique product lines. Headquartered in Montreal, Canada, Matrox is a privately held company with international offices in the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy and Hong Kong. Information about Matrox products, drivers, technical support and more can be found at http://www.matrox.com/.
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Can we use this to make them make at least drivers for one card for OS 4.x?

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@vox

I figure the more graphics card makers onboard the BETTER! While the Matrox stuff is not as good in the 3D market per se. They sure do make an awesome 8 monitor card! ;)

What about them ?

These announcement was made a decade ago... Since then amiga.com cannot even be reached... what do you expect ?

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@Leo

Old alliances (and new ones) can be made again. If there is enough interest in the platform.

@Leo
Besides we may need 8 monitors for our Amiga X1000's
;)

@Leo

Their PR said they will support Amiga
and in New Zicco specs it said
"New Matrox gfx card"

Is this enough to make them make drivers for at least one card
or for community to be alloed so?

Somehow I get impression their GFX division should hire
an Amiga team ...

And Matrox GFX was always on top. It brings fresh air to Amiga.
ATI (uppps, AMD) is nice, but Matrox is the name.

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therabbithole wrote: @vox I figure the more graphics card makers onboard the BETTER! While the Matrox stuff is not as good in the 3D market per se. They sure do make an awesome 8 monitor card! ;)

ATI Eyefinity kills Matrox solution. Refer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzGtxlaPQqY

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@vox

Dont believe bullshi*.

Edit: fixed language.

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@vox

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Amiga and Matrox Form Strategic Alliance

AInc. was always quite good at writing about 'Strategic Alliances'

The amount of BS they created was really quite staggering. So any actual results guys?...guys?...

Nothing was ever produced to back up any of this utter nonsense. I doubt that even one line of code was ever written to get a Matrox card to run on an Amiga by AInc. Anyway what would they have run it on? A TAO powered PDA? - on no I forgot it would have been Amiga Inc's own OS5 powered no doubt by fusion energy...

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@Hammer

Matrox cards quality are great. They use 5th order components in thei card. The overal quality of the image is better opn a Matrox card than the ati card. Matrox cards, moreover, sports true 10 bit output (2 billion colours on screen, assuming you have a really large screen). Matrox have proprietary techs such Gliph AA and Bump Mapping, really impressive.
Btw, Matrox seems to be stuck on partial dx9 support and OGL 2.1. I'm quite sure that they will update their cards, sooner or later.

I remember i talked about Matrox and Amiga in my old murc (www.murc.ws) posts a decade ago.

Would be great to have Matrox drivers, yes.

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@AmigaBlitter

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Would be great to have Matrox drivers, yes.

Why not ? I think that could be a good thing because "taste & colours" are different for each one. It could be a good solution to be also enough versatile for everyone.

Maybe someone in the world has kept it's "old" PC with a Matrox card and would like to use it in a computer which could still use its features.

The games world is so large and innovative that they only think to the future in developping new games which need more and more resources and hardware ! What about "classical" users...mmmhhh...

Then what should we do with our old stuff ? Yes, it could be a second life for the Matrox cards...

Nic

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AmigaBlitter wrote: @Hammer Matrox cards quality are great. They use 5th order components in thei card. The overal quality of the image is better opn a Matrox card than the ati card. Matrox cards, moreover, sports true 10 bit output (2 billion colours on screen, assuming you have a really large screen). Matrox have proprietary techs such Gliph AA and Bump Mapping, really impressive. Btw, Matrox seems to be stuck on partial dx9 support and OGL 2.1. I'm quite sure that they will update their cards, sooner or later. I remember i talked about Matrox and Amiga in my old murc (www.murc.ws) posts a decade ago. Would be great to have Matrox drivers, yes.

Wtf? 2^30** = 1,073,741,824 i.e. about 1 billion colors. **10 bits per channel. How do you get 2 billion colors from 10 bits per channel?

ATI Radeon HD 4xx0 supports 10 bits output (per channel).

Refer to http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-4000/hd-4550/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-4550-overview.aspx

"watch Blu-ray movies and HD content play with incredible visual fidelity1, and view digital photos with over 1 billion colors" (2)

2. "Requires a 10-bit display. "

For ATI Radeon HD 4600 (RV730)
Refer to http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/ati-mobility-hd-4000/hd-4600/Pages/hd-4600-specs.aspx

Two independent display controllers
Full 30-bit display processing

For ATI Radeon HD 2300
Refer to http://ati.amd.com/products/MobilityRadeonhd2300/specs.html
Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs

As for "Gliph AA" , As an example, Radeon HD 4600s as AA can goto 24X (Edge Detect) for 3D. For image based AA with edge detect via pixel shaders, refer to http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch16.html

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd370987(VS.85).aspx
Direct2D supports "per-primitive antialiasing".

http://blogs.amd.com/developer/tag/direct2d/
AMD ATI Radeon 3000 series GPUs (and later) provided industry first support for DirectX 10.1, which is used by Direct2D, and it is this hardware acceleration of graphics and text that allows for faster screen response and higher quality text rendering

As for "Bump Mapping"
http://ati.amd.com/developer/sdk/RADEONSDK/Html/Tutorials/RADEONBumpMap.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_mapping

The Matrox G400 chip supports a texture-based surface detailing method called Environment Mapped Bump Mapping (EMBM). It was originally developed by BitBoys Oy and licensed to Matrox. EMBM was first introduced in DirectX 6.0.

The Radeon 7200 also includes hardware support for EMBM, which was demonstrated in the tech demo "Radeon's Ark". However, EMBM was not supported by other graphics chips such as NVIDIA's GeForce 256 through GeForce 2, which only supported the simpler Dot-3 BM. Due to this lack of industry-wide support, and its toll on the limited graphics hardware of the time, EMBM only saw limited use during G400's time. Only a few games supported the feature, such as Dungeon Keeper 2 and Millennium Soldier: Expendable.

EMBM initially required specialized hardware within the chip for its calculations, such as the Matrox G400 or Radeon 7200. It could also be rendered by the programmable pixel shaders of later DirectX 8.0 accelerators like the GeForce 3 and Radeon 8500.



Why bump mapping when you can have proper polygon amplification? Refer to ATI Radeon HD R600's tessellation unit. R700's geometry shaders and tessellations can cover PowerPC 460's weak "dot" related performance.

Is it wise to compare Matrox's GPU solutions against current ATI Radeon HDs?
For example SAM460 + ATI R700 vs SAM460 + Matrox Parhelia?

A SAM460 + ATI Radeon HD 4650 (i.e. OpenCL, OpenGL 3.x(with geometry/vertex/pixel shaders), Tessellation) combo can easily rival the current HD consoles.

Matrox Parhelia is not Shader Model 2.0 capable.

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@Hammer

Your are right.

My typo about the 10 bit colours. 1 billion, right.

I mean, they was the first to introduced this techs, before Ati and Nvidia.

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@Hammer

They introduce EMBM first.

I remember i interviewed them at SMAU show in italy when they showed their flop tech to reproduce a 3d user with a webcam. At that time Matrox already had EMBM, ati introduced their own T&L graphic card.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD_lbL9wiGA

Parhelia graphics was also impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFkZFMQn_wo&feature=related

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@AmigaBlitter

Matrox Parhelia GPU wouldn't bring SAM460 closer or beat the current HD consoles (PowerPC X3 + ATI Xenos, PowerPC X1+ SPE X7 + NV RSX(G7X)) i.e. refer ATI RV730(with 320 SPs).

If the price is right, why not PowerPC X1 + ATI RV730 (320 SPs) combo?

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@Hammer

I'm not sure you have got the fact that we are not talking about any Matrox vs Ati war, haven't you?

We are talking about that the more drivers the more interesting applications we can have.
Having Matrox, imho, would be great. Matrox is an "innovator" company. Look at the Dual Head, tripleHead2go, extio, octal monitor setup.



Yes, both Ati and Nvidia have for sure moved forward, but this thanks to Matrox engineers escaped from Matrox since years (maybe they have been double payed). Matrox have it's own niche market. I think that both Trottier and Matić co-owner and co-founder of Matrox
("ma" from Matić and "tro" from Trottier, combined with an "x" for excellence, forms the Matrox name) can still innovate.

Btw, even if we have the ATI power horse in our Sam or Aone, we have very very poor graphics performance.

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IMO, Matrox is so far behind in 3D & GPGPU stuff that we better forget it already. Currently ATI looks like it's the strongest.

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Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000

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Old alliances (and new ones) can be made again. If there is enough interest in the platform.

Not even talking about the work needed: do you think Matrox would have any interest in a 1000+ market *worldwide* ?

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AmigaBlitter wrote: @Hammer I'm not sure you have got the fact that we are not talking about any Matrox vs Ati war, haven't you? We are talking about that the more drivers the more interesting applications we can have. Having Matrox, imho, would be great. Matrox is an "innovator" company. Look at the Dual Head, tripleHead2go, extio, octal monitor setup. Yes, both Ati and Nvidia have for sure moved forward, but this thanks to Matrox engineers escaped from Matrox since years (maybe they have been double payed). Matrox have it's own niche market. I think that both Trottier and Matić co-owner and co-founder of Matrox ("ma" from Matić and "tro" from Trottier, combined with an "x" for excellence, forms the Matrox name) can still innovate. Btw, even if we have the ATI power horse in our Sam or Aone, we have very very poor graphics performance.

Both HD consoles's PPE are in-order dual instruction issue per cycle type CPU cores i.e. about same level as PowerPC 460. The major differences are L2 cache size, VMX128 and clock speed.

To rival HD consoles, Sam460 will need ATI RV730.

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