@ BrianK

Some interesting US (primary Microsoft stronghold) market research data for September 2010:

Top connected devices:

1) Apple iPod Touch
2) Apple iPad
3) Sony PSP
4) Sony PS3

Regarding smartphones Windows mobile is dwarfed by the big players in this field:

1) iOS 46%
2) AndroidOS 29%
3) RIM OS 19%

It goes without saying Microsoft performs worse here in Europe and much worse for Japan.

Other interesting research data regarding the US market @:
http://www.millennialmedia.com/wp-content/images/mobilemix/MM-MobileMix-Sept2010.pdf

@MikeB

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Regarding smartphones Windows mobile is dwarfed by the big players in this field...It goes without saying Microsoft performs worse here in Europe and much worse for Japan.

I know this as does Microsoft.

This is likely part of the reason why Microsoft makes Live Messenger for iOS, Android, Blackberry, and of course Windows Mobile. Live Messenger can chat, voice and text, with any other Live Messenger client. So using Live Messenger gives one a platform that covers, potentially, more users than any single platform. And of course this filters into the 360 as a Live Messenger target it enables this system to chat with whatever smartphone one chooses to use.

Also, does Sony only target Sony devices as you indicate? Why support such a closed system? The Sony support website indicates one cannot video chat between PS3 and other systems.

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@BrianK

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Also, does Sony only target Sony devices as you indicate? Why support such a closed system? The Sony support website indicates one cannot video chat between PS3 and other systems.

Simple, the device has to be connected to the PSN. This allows Sony to have full control and ban for example pedophiles who try to abuse the service (for example tries to get your kids to take off clothes in front of the camera)

@MikeB

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For the games I am not playing it better be important or interesting enough to distract me from my gaming experience.

Yes don't let real people get in the way of your artifical entertainment.

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You are unable to cross game chat with every XBox 360 user

Any user that can game online can cross game chat with any other user that can game online.

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and only for Windows phones I believe.

Live Messenger is available for non-Windows phones.

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On the other hand PS3 Remote Play ...something the 360 can't do.

Not for free but there are devices that enable this. Personally nothing I'd use. If I'm gone there's always someone else at home using the 360 to stream a move or game. So remote play would be costly as I'd have to buy a 2nd console.

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This often translates into many first party games running lag free on the PS3 with often many more simultaneous online players

Lag has many reason and having both PSN and Live I can say that PSN is more laggy for me.

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If we can all agree on this then I have made my point. XBox Live is NOT superior as a fact.

Unlike you I have both and I use both and I do not agree.

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Personally I think not being able to play games online with your friends pushes the bulk of people to pay extra for XBox Live Gold or to promote this to their friends as just a sliver account for yourself and all your friends feels far too limited compared to modern standards.

What I find appauling is you get to decide what features are important to you and at the same time get to decide what features are important to others. (Hey God go on vacation MikeB's got you covered.)

You claim silver users feel limited. To them it does not, else they'd buy Gold or a PS3. Until basically the 6th generation of consoles, console gaming was not done online. Silver users are using their console in the way people have for decades.
I hardly think the silver users are crying in the corner over their decision as you'd like us to believe. Also, polls indicate, at least in the US, a larger % of 360 owners game online and game longer online than PS3 owners. Again I contribute this to when someone makes an investment they are more likely to act to make the investment worthwhile.

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2 or 2.5 meters distance would mean I have to re-arange my living room to make room for Kinect

Any remote sensing function has a limit to range. Kinect's sensing is a bigger target as it does a whole body, unlike the glowing blue balls of the Move. It senses a 6' area vs a 3" area. It makes sense that this is necessary. Also, one should be moving and jumping around they should move coffee tables and the like out of the way, that only makes sense.

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I think Kinect will sell a lot in the states

We'll see. The Move's 200K was pretty pathetic. I think the Kinect can do better, but time will tell.

Did you notice the 360 is now about 9M above the 360? That's nearly the 10M lead it had after a year start. To date the PS3 has barely sold any better than the 360. The last gen leader has fallen. It'll be interesting to see how Christmas changes this ratio.

And of course the 8th gen will be interesting. Can Sony pull a Nintendo, as they did with the Wii, and move from behind the pack to take the lead with the PS4? We'll see what 2020 brings.

@clebin

Thanks. Certainly both PS3 and 360 have their uniquness. Having both it's been interesting to see how others in the home take, or not, to one console over another. They don't care how much it costs they just use it. 'Free' to them in either case the 360 is the clear usage winner.

Also, why is MikeB personally insulting you? I found nothing insulting about your post and instead it was accepting and open to both platforms. Kinda like my home is open to both. How rude!

@ BrianK

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Also, why is MikeB personally insulting you? I found nothing insulting about your post and instead it was accepting and open to both platforms. Kinda like my home is open to both. How rude!

Grow up Brian.

Clebin stated: "See, being impartial isn't difficult if you try to be adult about these things."

That's kind of rude, just like you above. I treat you the way you treat other people, remember that.

So my advise to you and other people is to treat other people the way you like to be treated.

@BrianK

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Yes don't let real people get in the way of your artifical entertainment.

When reading a good book, watching a good movie with my wife or playing a game with a friend, I prefer not to be bothered with crap like you write on AmigaWorld. I prefer such to read such stuff when I'm already browsing the web. I prefer good artificial intelligence.

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Any user that can game online can cross game chat with any other user that can game online.

You are not able to chat with all XBox gamers connected to the internet when you are gaming, actually you cannot game together with people connected with a silver account at all.

I can both game and voice chat with any PS3 gamer connected to the internet.

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Live Messenger is available for non-Windows phones.

Microsoft's messenger is nothing special. I used IRC and ICQ long before that. It's only due to the Windows monopoly Microsoft's messenger got big. I prefer Yahoo messenger (it's also on iPhone), at least it got big on its own strenght.

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What I find appauling is you get to decide what features are important to you and at the same time get to decide what features are important to others

Don't make things up. I said the exact opposite. It's you that want to portray XBox Live being superior as a fact, just reread these threads.

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Kinect's sensing is a bigger target as it does a whole body

I am rather tall, probably I need to stand away something like 3 meters.

There are many fat people in the US (sadly still fat after having bought this miracle Wii ), I wonder if width or length matters more for Kinect in practise.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @ BrianK Quote: Also, why is MikeB personally insulting you? I found nothing insulting about your post and instead it was accepting and open to both platforms. Kinda like my home is open to both. How rude! Grow up Brian. Clebin stated: "See, being impartial isn't difficult if you try to be adult about these things." That's kind of rude, just like you above. I treat you the way you treat other people, remember that. So my advise to you and other people is to treat other people the way you like to be treated.

An AR has been filed on this post. Your post admits being purposely rude to another member of the site. This is an improper response if you feel you have been wronged, which you are well aware of. The AR is approved. Your next step on the TOS Disciplinary procedure is account termination. Thus this has been done. As you are also very familiar with you can seek adjudication of this decision.

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@clebin

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clebin wrote: @MikeB [quote] See, being impartial isn't difficult if you try to be adult about these things.

Please refrain from such. Its easy to see such as baiting. Thank you.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @clebin That last sentence makes you look stupid. ... Understand now, Chris? If so, wasn't that hard or was it?

If adjudication goes in your favor, next time hit the report button rather than retaliating in kind to what you perceived as an insult.

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@MikeB

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You are not able to chat with all XBox gamers connected to the internet when you are gaming

Xbox Chat is like any other. Both parties need to be connected to the network to have a chat session. As for Silver users one can text chat with them.

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Microsoft's messenger is nothing special

What is special about it is Live Messenger, unlike iPhone Facetime, it works on multiple devices and a console. This allows the console to chat to mobile devices, something PSN can't do. To date no other console has the extent of chat that 360 does in this aspect. Want to chat 360 to iPhone? Not a problem the iPhone user uses Live Messenger. Want to chat PSN to iPhone? No dice no PSN chat client for the iPhone.

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I prefer Yahoo messenger

If I recall Yahoo Messenger now interconnects with Live messenger. Though I haven't tested 360 Live Msg to Yahoo Msg.

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I wonder if width or length matters more for Kinect in practise.

As fat as people might be in the USA it's still rare that width is greater than height. And I'll give you the benefit of doubt with this statement. I'll assume you didn't mean to troll by insulting a whole nation but tried humor.

@fairlanefastback

Sorry, I was trying to illicit an impartial response and it was a comment on the nature of discussion. In fact I felt as if i got that so I was pleased with the last part of Mike's response. I would have told him so but I'm away and getting this response in on my iphone. I certainly wasn't offended or looking for a follow up if that makes a difference...

Chris

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@clebin

Thought you might be interested as the 360 is soon to go beyond 'chat'... Microsoft stated there will be a new Video Kinect service with the Kinect launch. It's not just chat as you'll be able to watch movies, news, sports, and the like together with your friend on the other end. Supposedly a PC and the 360 will connect via Live Messenger to allow you this enhanced form of chat. I presume some of the mobile platforms wouldn't have this (perhaps WP7) as it may well consume a nice chunk of bandwidth.


... Update on 3D...
"According to DisplaySearch, sell-through of “3D Vision-ready displays” as listed by Nvidia in the first two quarters of 2010 is less than 3500 per quarter in all major U.S. PC outlets combined" 3D may catch on but I stand by my price drop and compelling content comments. Though glasses, let alone different manufactures glasses not working with every TV, may prove to be too cumbersome for the average consumer.

@BrianK

That sounds good! Video chatting on the big living room TV is perfect if there's more than one of you - a long-distance family get-together, for instance. I'm sure a few people would appreciate that this Christmas.

They could bring video to mobile platforms but require wi-fi, or limit the length of calls over the mobile network. A couple of days ago I was using the Guardian newspaper app and downloading news to read offline. I'm not sure whether this restriction was their decision or dumped on them by Apple in the approval process.

Hopefully they'll bring it to all the big mobile platforms. There are signs they're finally waking up to the need for interoperability, as they keep failing with the vendor lock-in thing. I hope so anyway!

Chris

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By the way, anyone got or getting Fallout: New Vegas?

I wasn't sure whether to get that or Fallout 3 + expansions, which was lost in my RROD period...

Chris

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Some KillZone3 screen shots vs KZ2. LINK The graphics look very nice. KZ1 and 2 weren't the best FPS gameplay. I hope that's most improved. If so then Sony will have a winner on their hands.

Intersting...
http://kotaku.com/5673370/the-computer-nintendo-never-released

Looks like it would have been a super C64 as the NES and C64 both use the 6502 but Nintendo's was almost twice as fast as the C64 and the NES could do 53 color pallettes and lots more sprites...

A C64 killer perhaps? Atari dropped the ball there by not licensing it...

Oh and it had WIRELESS infra-red based controllers...

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I heard on the news this morning that Apple is targetting Sony for a possible buy-out.

Any news BrianK? As a stockholder, your shares must have risen...
Looks like MikeB will get to use his iPhone with his PS3 afterall...

@Lou

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I heard on the news this morning that Apple is targetting Sony for a possible buy-out.

Apple has cash. Rumors have been flying that Apple's buying someone. Amongst those have been Netflix, Yahoo, and Facebook. Now, Sony. I'm not sure what Apple would do with Sony.

Sony owns lots of media so this would give Apple, likely, larger profits on movies and music. Sony has tried 3 times to make a digital store and failed each time. I think the iTunes would make Sony media more profitable. Though I think the competition might see the iTunes store as non-neutral and decide to look at other stores for exclusivity instead.

Sony is pushing GoogleTV, Jobs would kill this immediately, and push Apple TV.

Apple isn't in gaming so perhaps the Playstation might be attractive. The PSP2 would be killed for iPod gaming. Apple could get in the home market via the PS4. Though I suspect the Cell would be gone and replaced with Apple chip(s). I don't think Apple would want to get back into bed with IBM.

Apple could use the Sony monitors to manufacture their own displays. Though Apple doesn't like to share so I suspect the overall income from displays would go down. In the past Sony has sold their screens, trinitron for example, to other manufactures and made some monies through that. Apple hates cloning.

Summary: The idea just leaves me scratching my head. Apple doesn't have the management or experience to run a large company that's diversified in products and in locations. It may happen but I don't think it'll be good for Sony in the long run.

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Lou Quote: I heard on the news this morning that Apple is targetting Sony for a possible buy-out. Apple has cash. Rumors have been flying that Apple's buying someone. Amongst those have been Netflix, Yahoo, and Facebook. Now, Sony. I'm not sure what Apple would do with Sony. Sony owns lots of media so this would give Apple, likely, larger profits on movies and music. Sony has tried 3 times to make a digital store and failed each time. I think the iTunes would make Sony media more profitable. Though I think the competition might see the iTunes store as non-neutral and decide to look at other stores for exclusivity instead. Sony is pushing GoogleTV, Jobs would kill this immediately, and push Apple TV. Apple isn't in gaming so perhaps the Playstation might be attractive. The PSP2 would be killed for iPod gaming. Apple could get in the home market via the PS4. Though I suspect the Cell would be gone and replaced with Apple chip(s). I don't think Apple would want to get back into bed with IBM. Apple could use the Sony monitors to manufacture their own displays. Though Apple doesn't like to share so I suspect the overall income from displays would go down. In the past Sony has sold their screens, trinitron for example, to other manufactures and made some monies through that. Apple hates cloning. Summary: The idea just leaves me scratching my head. Apple doesn't have the management or experience to run a large company that's diversified in products and in locations. It may happen but I don't think it'll be good for Sony in the long run.

More fuel to the fire:

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/26/playstation-phone-leak-reveals-prototype-device-platform-detail/

Perhaps it's a way to eliminate the competition...
Throw a keyboard on this thing and even I may buy it...though HTC just released the G2...I do love my G1...phones still fail at gaming. The could be the perenial "game changer"

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/the-playstation-phone/

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