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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 2-Sep-2010 10:40:00
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The entire thing's a scam. I dont ever want to see "Commodore USA" posted again.


Since there are currently 11 threads discussing it, chances for that are rather low in the near future I suppose.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 2-Sep-2010 11:16:30
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One thing that I think has annoyed a lot of people is the fact that this company has got the Commodore Name and now the Amiga name so easily when companies that the community actually like and support Hyperion, A-cube, A-eon, Cloanto, bplan Genesi, the Aros team etc All have had either legal battles between Amiga Inc over copyrights or had to remove Amiga references from there platform.

I'm sure Acube would of loved to be able to call there machine Amiga440 / Amiga460, I'm sure bplan would of loved to been able to call MorphOS, the AmigaOS. And Aros I believe was called something Amiga but it had to removed due to legal issues.

Even Cloanto a great Amiga company that developed software and supported the Amiga for years recently had a legal battle over the use of the Amiga Forever name, to me they and all these other companies who have put money into the Amiga and the community have stayed with the community though the tough time and the hard time they all deserve the Amiga name a lot more than this start up company and I think this is why you are getting a lot more abuse and a tougher time than perhaps you deserve, it now time for CommodoreUSA to prove to us they deserve the name and let see what they do with it and I just hope they dont do damage to the name or to AmigaOS

One more thing now I think about how come CommodoreUSA dont do a deal with Cloanto on there C64 forever and Amiga Forever programs.

For the attempted censor of Cloanto's Amiga Forever, I just bought my copy of Amiga Forever 2010.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 2-Sep-2010 12:11:46
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OMG what a mess...

Can`t ppl just grow up and seriously lead Amiga brand to success?

Just read news, then thought - finally Amiga is bought by Commodore... then I read more news and then mess starts to show... :( Another tons of tons of tons emails, speech, legal actions... How far? When this will end?

Amiga is trademark of AmigaINC
AmigaOS is a trademark by Hyperion
Aros is is a trademark of AROS
AmigaOne X1000 [ten thousand] is a trademark of A-EON
AmigaTwo is a trademark of light bulbs by AmigaKraljevo
AmiGay is a trademark of AmigaGayPopulation
AmOS is a trademark of chinese hostel chai -maker company
CommodoreAmiga is a trademark of CommodoreUSA
AmigaSRB is a trademark of CommodoreSerbia
Ami.Ga is a trademark of albanian shoes makers
...

What a mess......

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 2-Sep-2010 12:13:48
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What I think is great is that they show interest to the original Amiga consept.




Yes, of course!
Now I understand why they try to sell WIntel hardware with the OSses Windblows and Linux!
It is because "they show interest to the original Amiga consept"!
Why didn't I see that immediately? Stupid me...


Get real man - even BigBenteAussie stated that AROS is no selling point...

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nikosidis wrote:

That should mean a lot to us, that are still active.



Of course it does.
Or why do you think we are so sceptical?

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nikosidis wrote:

What other alternative do they have than to use AROS as a Amiga like OS alternative ?



AmigaForever on any ordinary Wintel box?

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nikosidis wrote:

What they could do if they have the resources is to buy out Hyperion and morphOS join everyone and make the best AmigaOS ever seen.
Should be quite possible.



With enough money (nearly) everything is possible...
I don't know if they have money at all.

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Think if they had all people from amigaworld working towards 1 goal. Not 3.



I don't think this will ever happen...

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 2-Sep-2010 17:02:35
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Just looked at Commodore USA website, how can anyone take them seriously?

This has got to be a scam/fake/wishful thinking.

Has anyone actually managed to buy something from them? By that I don't mean give them $50 for some vaporware, wait a few years, and maybe get a C= t-shirt if you're lucky .

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 2-Sep-2010 17:32:23
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@Daniel
Feels like iWin all over again! (IMHO)

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 2-Sep-2010 18:56:23
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C-USA is not a scam but rather some people trying to get into the computer hardware business. After thinking a lot about this, I have some problems.

Some time ago, C-USA where anounced. Someone posted to aros dev-list about it.
Noone showed real interest. Why ? cause there was no real communication about what they wanted.

What is their plan ? Not a single person in AROS world knows. They just made an anoucement to include AROS.

They made a statment where they said they have little finance to support AROS now, but will look into that in the future.

It is the never ending money story. Everyone wants to make money but not use any.

They for sure have to get hold of someone doing drivers for their hardware, cause it is no way everything is supported. I doubt they can find many outside AROS land that can do that. At least that would be very expensive.

It kind of looks like they are trying to find people here that like to buy their hardware, cause of the name. They might have tought that was smart, but the people here are not exactly novice users. No harm for them to do so anyway. There are always some Commodore, Amiga enusiasts that will do just that. I would just not exect any big money comming in cause of that.

I still wish them all the best and hope I'm wrong, but things looks rather unserious.





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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
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@ruben

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And the x1000 is the, Amiga?



It is said to be currently the most powerful hardware to run AmigaOS 4.x on.

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Posted on 3-Sep-2010 8:34:53
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@nikosidis

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It kind of looks like they are trying to find people here that like to buy their hardware, cause of the name. They might have tought that was smart, but the people here are not exactly novice users. No harm for them to do so anyway. There are always some Commodore, Amiga enusiasts that will do just that. I would just not exect any big money comming in cause of that.


Like I said in the other thread, mr. Altman may be a many things, but he's no fool. If I had money, I'd be doing exactly the same. The fastest and most reliable way of getting my investment back. He's not targeting die-hard amiga users, he's targeting normal people that walk in to a computer store and buy things based on design or name... That's what 99% of today computer users are. I don't think he gives a rat's ass about amiga market. And frankly, I'd be thinking he's a bad businessman if he did.

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Co-operation instead?



Not with McBill, I'd say.
Nor with any enterprise he's involved somehow.

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@eXec

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And the x1000 is the, Amiga?



It is said to be currently the most powerful hardware to run AmigaOS 4.x on.


More powerfull than Core i7? Faster ram than DDR 3? I doubt that....

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 9:01:15
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@eXec

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More powerfull than Core i7? Faster ram than DDR 3? I doubt that....


Since when can such hardware run Amiga OS?

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 9:02:51
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More powerfull than Core i7? Faster ram than DDR 3? I doubt that....


You will be correct here, technically, but, X1000 is a Custom Designed motherboard for AmigaOS4.1 and the future. Remember Aros does not have the Apps yet to need or use all of that Core-i7 power.

Plus 2ghz dual core is no slouch, especially with an efficient OS and then there is XMOS which whilst some are unsure about, I believe it will be very cool and spark interesting new add ons.



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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 9:06:07
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@Dandy

I think co-operation in sensible naming, distribution and technology sharing would be nice.

- Commodore Amiga x1000 (from A-Eon) could be sold by C= USA.
- Hyperion could make a deal to work together towards AOS5. (it could be for example AROS+AOS4 codebase (build to form a 64bit ASMP & MP OS) + AOS4 sandbox + UAE)
- Perhaps AmigaOne could be called as Amiga, without the stooped One addition
- AOS5 would be available for custom PPC and custom x86 HW (=not on every motherboard).

Also I fail to see if McE has managed to deliver anything positive for the community.
Mainly just some name raping.

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@clusteruk

"Plus 2ghz dual core is no slouch"
And it seems that it's now public info that x1000 has dual 1066Mhz DDR2 RAM bus + integrated memory controllers. It has the chance to be the fastest consumer PPC HW so far (not in every thing, but in many things).

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Posted on 3-Sep-2010 9:09:46
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@pavlor

Such hardware could run an emulation of OS4, run a 1080p movie, severel tabs in firefox, an open excel and a word document and not feel a sweat about it. Hell, I have a much slower PC then that and I can run it no problemo...

The days of having a unique platform are over.

I have to say when hyperion and a-eon announced their new project I was excited even though I haven't been on the scene in a long time. I thought, maybe something cool and useful will come out of this. Now reading the price and the conditions beta testers are expected to pay, I'd say I would have to be crazy to go for it.

I never understood the market for a PPC amiga. I mean, the VAST majority of your customers will have to use PC to get things done. So there really is no excuse in going PPC if only to suck out more money from a customer. Which is a viable business technique and their choice to live with

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Posted on 3-Sep-2010 9:11:23
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@WolfToTheMoon

"I can run it no problemo... "

What emulator you are using to run AOS4 on Corei7?

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@KimmoK

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I think co-operation in sensible naming, distribution and technology sharing would be nice.


It would be nice, but I do not think mr. Altman is in this business to lose money. X1000 will be bought by several hundred, maybe thousand people.

Commodore PC64 could sell 10 000+ units easily per markets like UK, USA and Germany alone. That's just PC64...

Hyperion have nothing to bring on the table worth buying, if not only for the name Amiga OS. But since they cannot run Amiga OS anyway on x86, there's really no sense to go for that.
A rewrite to x86 is negated by the existence of AROS... that is, it would be much cheaper and faster for Commodore to hire some devs to work on that.

And frankly, based on their previous record, I would want to stay away from hyperion as far as I can.

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@KimmoK

I'm running AROS, XP and Ubuntu whenever I want under windows, even together...

And I have a "lowly" AMDx2 processor and DDR2.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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Such hardware could run an emulation of OS4, run a 1080p movie, severel tabs in firefox, an open excel and a word document and not feel a sweat about it. Hell, I have a much slower PC then that and I can run it no problemo...


There is no Amiga OS 4 emulator...

Even SAM can open several tabs in Firefox and open/write word and excel documents. However, PIII class CPU is not enough for HD video.

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The days of having a unique platform are over.


And people are still buying dedicated hardware for OS of their choice. Crazy world...

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So there really is no excuse in going PPC if only to suck out more money from a customer.


Now I see, you left the platform too early to know its complicated (and frustrating...) history. PowerPC CPU was choosen for Amiga by Amiga Technologies (and with consent of the community) in 1995/1996. First PowerPC CPU cards for A4000 were introduced in 1997. When Amiga OS 4 project started in 2001, PowerPC was in this regard logical choice. Amiga OS is now PowerPC native OS, port to another CPU architecture is possible, but it needs much more time and money than Hyperion has.

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Dandy wrote:
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[quote]
eXec wrote:
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And the x1000 is the, Amiga?



It is said to be currently the most powerful hardware to run AmigaOS 4.x on.



More powerfull than Core i7? Faster ram than DDR 3? I doubt that....

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I must have missed that AmigaOS 4.x supports Intel nowadays...

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