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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 11-Oct-2013 1:36:36
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@vox

timedemo demo2

vox for sure your timedemo of QuakeGl will be slower compared with pegasos2 if you have a radeonhd because it use the wazp .
If you have a second video card Radeon 9250pci test the quakegl on it.

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 11-Oct-2013 7:15:57
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@seiya

And for valid results about MorphOS with glquake (tlosm's results are seriously off) :

Mac Mini 1.5 GHz (Radeon 9200 64MB) (MorphOS 2.7, i'll try with 3.3 later, it might be even faster) : 1) 74.3 fps 2) 145 fps
Powerbook G4 1.67GHz (Radeon 9700 128MB) (MorphOS 3.3) : 1) 107.3 fps 2) 200.6 fps

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@Fab

why my result are absolutly off? because the


AOs4) Pegasos 2 G4 1.0 Radeon 9000pro 128mb = 1) 75,5 2) 133,5 (320x240=180.3 :P)
Because the Pegasos 2 1ghz gave a result great compared with 1.5 mos macmini?

(Morphos) MacMini G4 1.5 Radeon 9200 64mb = 1) 46.6 2) 74.8
or because this is my Mos 3.3 result?

or because OSx geve me
(Osx 10.5.8) Powerbook G4 1.67 Radeon 9700 128mb = 1) 185,7 2) 263,4
compared with your mos 3.3
Powerbook G4 1.67GHz (Radeon 9700 128MB) (MorphOS 3.3) : 1) 107.3 fps 2) 200.6 fps result

Fab i dont have problem to make video of the timedemo and put it on youtube ... but i think will be not a good show a 1.ghz G4 with os 4.1.6.60 gave a result near a G4 1.5 with mos 3.3 or make a timedemo mos on my powerbook and compare with osx result....

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 11-Oct-2013 9:14:26
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@tlosm

Because your mac mini results are obvioulsy flawed.

Besides, if you want real GL tests, try at least with Quake 3...

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@Fab

i have this results, can do nothing , i say i can do a video if you dont belive in my mos 3.3 results

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@tlosm

Your tests are flawed for several reasons:

- We don't even know what glquake you use for OS4 nor MorphOS (and guess what, details and ports can greatly change speed there).
- You certainly didn't test MorphOS Quake with vsync off, which means fps never exceed your monitor refresh rate (you have to type flushlib tinygl.library and then setenv TGLSYNC 0 to test without vsync).
- You're telling us a radeon 9000 pro is better than a radeon 9200. What a scoop, really! But even then, MorphOS still performs good with this poor gfx card, which is rather interesting...

Another result for you:
Pegasos2 1GHz with Radeon 9100 (MorphOS 3.3): 1) 89.7 fps 2) 147.3fps

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@Fab

i did the flush

Flushed:tinygl.library
and set the env but... i have the same resut :-/

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@tlosm

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tlosm wrote:
@Seiya

QuakeGl fps 1)1024x768 2)640x480

(Osx 10.5.8) Powerbook G4 1.67 Radeon 9700 128mb = 1) 185,7 2) 263,4
(win7) 2xP4 3.0 RadeonHD 7750 2GB DDR3 = 1) 145,9 2) 160.3 fps


So your OSX is faster with 10 years older GFX card ?

Results I got with my work machine with GTX 660 1) 2053.8 2) 2025.25 and bonus play 1341.8@ 1920x1080. Something in your test is seriously fu*ked up since your results are same class than on Gerforce 256 in 2000.

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@Rose

rose i think you dont see the specs of all the machine... or read just wanna you like read.. this is the usual speaking of trolls ...
The RADEONHD 7750HD is a PCIe Card ... the P4 dont have it but is a agp .
if you study you will know it, but i think you just play with your computer.
The P4 is 10 years old cpu ...
For sure your machine is equiped with Pcie busboard ... put your video card on an pci and let me know how fast is it.

and another think wash your mount with something because your language is rude and inappropriate. Thanks

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@tlosm

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rose i think you dont see the specs of all the machine... or read just wanna you like read.. this is the usual speaking of trolls ...
The RADEONHD 7750HD is a PCIe Card ... the P4 dont have it but is a agp .
if you study you will know it, but i think you just play with your computer.
The P4 is 10 years old cpu ...
For sure your machine is equiped with Pcie busboard ... put your video card on an pci and let me know how fast is it.

and another think wash your mount with something because your language is rude and inappropriate. Thanks


There was plenty P4 boards with PCI-e. There's plenty of 7750's in PCI-e. And your orginal posting stated "RadeonHD 7750".

Quote:
(win7) 2xP4 3.0 RadeonHD 7750 2GB DDR3 = 1) 145,9 2) 160.3 fps


See?

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@Rose

Yes but the Board is in PCI slot... i was thinking was not necessary write P4 with RadeonHD 7750 2GB DDR on pcie adaptor on a 66mhz pci bus ..


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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@tlosm

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Yes but the Board is in PCI slot... i was thinking was not necessary write P4 with RadeonHD 7750 2GB DDR on pcie adaptor on a 66mhz pci bus ..




You really should when you are trying compare different systems and one of them gets abysmal performance compared to normal.

And you proved my point. Your test is seriously cripled.

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@Rose

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And you proved my point. Your test is seriously cripled.


Why? You don´t like the comparison.

Sure, I also believe only in benchmarks I forged myself...

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Posted on 11-Oct-2013 15:36:33
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@Fab

Quote:
Mac Mini 1.5 GHz (Radeon 9200 64MB) (MorphOS 2.7, i'll try with 3.3 later, it might be even faster) : 1) 74.3 fps 2) 145 fps


Quote:
(AOs4) Pegasos 2 G4 1.0 Radeon 9000pro 128mb = 1) 75,5 2) 133,5 (320x240=180.3 :P)


Comparing these results, it seems OS4 R200 drivers were at least little bit improved.
In August 2009 (Source: Obligement OS4 MorphOS benchmarks):
GLQuake - 640x480 "demomap demo1.dm2"
AmigaOS 4.1 - 80 fps
MorphOS 2.3 - 146 fps
(tests on Pegasos 2 G4 1 GHz, Radeon 9250 128 MB; sure 9000 Pro is faster than 9250, but not that much)

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@pavlor

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Why? You don´t like the comparison.


Since car analogies are always popular... On testing GFX cards putting modern card in PCI bus without mentioning it is like forgotting to mention in car test that half of sparkplugs are removed.

My point being that that result doesn't have anything to do with realworld and really doesn't show difference between different cards which I thought was orginal point of test.

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Posted on 11-Oct-2013 15:57:46
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@pavlor

W3D_R200_lib SYS:Libs/Warp3D/HWDrivers/W3D_R200.library 53.21 2012-09-03

W3D_Radeon_lib Sys:libs/Warp3D/HWDrivers/W3D_Radeon.library 53.19 2012-08-27

Warp3D_lib SYS:Libs/Warp3D.library 53.18 2012-08-28

This are the last update of 3d driver of AmigaOs4.1



this are today quakegl bench after 2days ago new kernel was release.
There are 640x480 .800x600 and 1024x768

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg2udhcyc43arx/pgdTBMD4Jv

just because im not a man who like say bullshit

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@Rose

no rose my real world for sure different compared with your is the test of my machine ... my machine are with different os and have different configuration.
in my real world i just take quakegl and make the benchmark .. i dont know can you make the same in your real world ? can you test all your machine and please write here your real world result.

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@tlosm

do you know how to make benchmar in Quake and GLQuake?

1) you press \ to show console
2) type "Timedemo demo 2"
3) very very quick, you press again \


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@Seiya

seya ... ... no word for you reply

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@tlosm

looking your results, my replay could be right..
however i think that your macmini has some problems at leat with tinyGL.

at this point you have to test Quake Arena in all resolution: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x786 and 1280x1024 with all detail.

btw, i ask to fab if he would like to test Quake Arena on MacMini and PowerBook with these resolutions.
All details at maximun except Light set to "Vertex"

i have made many, too test, with Vertex settings so..i'd like to see MOS with this detail.

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