The overall Changelog for OOOWhatever also indicates that since November another member of the development team is contributing to the effort:

http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Changelogs

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Are the guy porting OOlite to AmigaOS aware of the many people anxiously waiting for this to happen??

Are he aware that a status rapport every few weeks works wonders in this community?

Could someone with a direct knowledge of the person please explain this to him in a kind way. perhaps show him aw.net - and tell him the importance of communicating every now and then.

Do the guy know he'll be a hero if he does this???

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I will contribute to the bounty I think that is a way better way to send a message than
pointing out that he will be a hero (and damn straight he will be!!)

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Are the guy porting OOlite to AmigaOS aware of the many people anxiously waiting for this to happen??

Yes.

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Are he aware that a status rapport every few weeks works wonders in this community?

I don't get what you mean.

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...perhaps show him aw.net ... and tell him the importance of communicating every now and then.

He knows aw.net. Communicating will help people like you to know more but it won't help to do any progress on OOolite.

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Do the guy know he'll be a hero if he does this???

From my POV, he is already a hero for doing OOolite with so little resources/time But I guess the answer to your question is "yes".


Developers are needed and of course any developer can contribute. So as I said, there's no need to talk but there's need to code

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this is a great effort and I'm glad that at least we will be getting a modern office program for the Amiga, but I'm just wondering what about an effort to update one of Amiga legacy office apps, after all a letter is a letter, Wordworth 6 Office I always thought was a great little program and did a few of my Assignment for College back in the day on it, what about a native OS4 version with a few improvements or Amiga Writer v2 would anyone consider open sources these programs and then would their be any interest in making updates to them?

Plus also I would personally prefer if all efforts and as many developers as they can get to be making a modern web browser like Timberwolf with flash support and possible JAVA first as their are loads of online virtual programs that can be used, as Google Docs prove, that would befit us Amiga users more at the moment, ok its not ideal but once we got this type of program then the developers can move on to porting native local programs. Thats just my feeling that maybe were pushing for too much at once and I kind of wish developers would work together on a single project to get it out quicker and then move on to the next problem or requirement of us Amiga users.

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Plus also I would personally prefer if all efforts and as many developers as they can get to be making a modern web browser like Timberwolf with flash support and possible JAVA

Firstly, there's already MorphOS version of OWB, which is very close (in my opinion) to iBrowse, which is widely regarded as the Amiga web browser with the best UI. Sure, it's not based on "native" libs, but creating a complete & compatible HTML5 renderer from scratch is a huge effort, I'd say the effort is better spent elsewhere. Also, this "best this far" OWB is being ported to AmigaOS4. So better put more effort into that than "start from scratch".

As for Flash:

Consider there's no "complete" Flash plugin for Linux (there's binary-only one for "Linux/X86", which is a totally different thing than "Linux", and doesn't benefit us at all). Now there are way more developers in Linux, Unix, QNX etc. worlds combined. If they can't come up with "compatible enough" Flash plugin based on official information, how do you think the few developers we could spare could do it?

As for Java, I think that's already in progress. But as before, huge task to get it to state, where it would have any benefit.

As for both, it would be more sensible to get them as extensions for existing browser, such as OWB. There's already Flash plugin for OWB (so there's nothing to prevent it) but as with Linux plugins, it's far from 100% compatible.

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I'm just wondering what about an effort to update one of Amiga legacy office apps

I think the major issues really are first the amount of work that it would take to bring one of those old suites up to date, second, the difficulty in tracking down their source code and owners in the first place and third, the issue of document formats.

We are better off in the end, I think, with a port OOoLight. It is modern, we know where its source code is and it can handle most of the commonly used formats in use today.

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I think the major issues really are first the amount of work that it would take to bring one of those old suites up to date, second, the difficulty in tracking down their source code and owners in the first place and third, the issue of document formats.

Digita are still around, and a number of years ago offered their Wordworth source code for several hundred thousand pounds. Maybe the price has gone down now

It might be worth somebody like Trevor buying the source and paying somebody to port it over to OS4.... but tbh the money would probably be better spent on any OO Light porting effort.

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Hondo wrote: Are the guy porting OOlite to AmigaOS aware of the many people anxiously waiting for this to happen?? Are he aware that a status rapport every few weeks works wonders in this community? Could someone with a direct knowledge of the person please explain this to him in a kind way. perhaps show him aw.net - and tell him the importance of communicating every now and then. Do the guy know he'll be a hero if he does this???

There is still (slow) progress being done but it is a long term effort. So, people don't have to be anxious. There many things to do that are not always simple but at least, that allows to see some points to improve in the OS, the SDK, ...

We are not about to see the application display yet.

I searched the forums here for any information on what happened to the port of OOo4Kids on OS4.x and could not find much besides this thread and one or two others, and none of them appear to explain what happened.

It appears that this project is dead and no new reports from the developer have been posted since November of 2010. Is that true? Are there any other developers interested in picking up this work where the original developer stopped?

What happened to the SAM computer that was given to the developer in exchange for him working on this project? Did he just disappear with it after doing a little work for a few months and not really showing any results?

I find it strange that there isn't more discussion that I could easily find on this subject in the forums here, not that I expect any discussion about it now, as it appears to be ancient history now, if the project died about 18 months ago.

Too bad, as it would be very useful if we could have had a word processor that can convert other modern formats, like OOo4Kids does.

Was the reason for abandoning the project because some key feature is missing from OS4.x's infrastructure and the person(s) working on the OOo4Kids project could not get permission to add the needed part to OS4.x? I don't know if I am remembering some other discussion about the end of this project, or just imagining some made up fantasy in my head. I did know that the project had stalled, or stopped, but I was looking for the reasons why in threads on our forums.

Can someone who really knows the true story tell me what happened and answer my questions above?

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"if I am remembering some other discussion about the end of this project"

IIRC, there was some discussion about continuation by some other SW developers.

Anyone with better/more info?

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The thing that gets me is that there is Abiword running through AmiCygnix which runs really well on my X1000. Why not accept that as the default OS4 word processor instead of this constant, "It Must Be Native". It is running on OS4, it works with modern files and AmiCygnix brings an amazing number of other benefits.

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Native application would be nice and essential to get any new users/hobbyists.

But there is several other options, wich might be easier??

http://www.koffice.org/

KDE office suite, requires QT

http://docs.google.com/

Google docs works with current web browsers?

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You might ask Trevor - he's the one who contributed the developer system.

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With respect, having a native word processor is not going to open the new user flood gate. We need something special that other systems do not have or do badly, so dificult really.

I have to say, having Hollywood that can develop apps on Amiga and distribute on all platforms is pretty special.

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Have not yet got my self to set up AmiCygnix yet. Now when windowed apps are possible, I should give it a try.

Other than that, I would prefer native port of Abiword. I bet it would be little faster on slow machine.

I think OO is not mandatory, as long as we have full suite of working office tools. +import/export to/from mainstream.

And I rather donate to Amiga native SW development if it exist. (that would mean Cinnamon writer and pagestream for now, for word processing, Amifig for vector drawing,...)

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@All

Yes I think too that having a native office suite for AmigaOS 4.x would be great!

What do you think to push the development of cinnamon writer?
Maybe we can go further and create "Cinnamon Office" ??? With
all the stuff a modern office suite needs.

That would be really great!!!

Once all we need is inside one could consider to add features that make this thing
unique against all other products on other OS.

Just a thought ...What do you think?

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clusteruk wrote: The thing that gets me is that there is Abiword running through AmiCygnix which runs really well on my X1000. Why not accept that as the default OS4 word processor instead of this constant, "It Must Be Native". It is running on OS4, it works with modern files and AmiCygnix brings an amazing number of other benefits.

Abiword is great for word processing but it doesn't provide the other useful features of OO4K such as presentation, spreadsheets and drawing.

The drawing part isn't essential as we have that well covered on the Amiga and it's probably possible to edit Excel spreadsheets with Gnumeric but I don't think we have anything to edit PowerPoint presentation like OO's Impress and last week I precisely had to create a huge PPT presentation for a client and had to resort to using OO on a PC instead of OO4K on the Amiga

(Hollywood comes to mind but that wasn't an option as the presentation has to be loaded and displayed in a virtual conference room online which only supports PPT and OpenDoc files)

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AmiCygnix may run great on an X1000 but I own a Sam440 and AmiCygnix runs too slowly to be of any use.

A native OO would be a great addition but I'm quite happy using Google Docs for my office needs.

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Yes, having a "fully native" office suite would be preferable to Abiword, gnumeric etc. for several reasons. Speed, GUI consistency and so on. I'm not trying to take away from the excellent work put into AmiCygnix - it's fantastic software and I do use it from time to time. But having a Linux box beside my A1 means I'm not inclined to use it for anything other than basic documents, given I can have basically the same software working much, much faster under Linux.

A native port of OO4K might change that, and while there are certainly other ways of spending developer time, I think it would be a good idea not to underplay the importance of a more native office suite for those who might potentially use an OS4 machine as their main computer.

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