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Troels 
Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 20-Mar-2011 22:25:16
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@Belxjander
I will discuss the bounty with rest of the team and reply here and to your email when it's open

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 20-Mar-2011 23:21:35
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@Troels

Thats fine, Im just going to keep working on it and if anyone wants to donate anything towards it they can... whether it happens or not
I *am* going to produce an IME system so I can keep typing proper Japanese on the systems I use :)

since it will be expanding on the existing locale.library language drivers with another shared library the driver itself can open
and expand the Input System for Ideographic languages that are not easily single or double-dead entry characters, fun fun fun :)

Im just holding off submitting anything for the official AOS4.x release until I can be satisfied it is functionally correct with as little
system patching as I can get away with for having it functional.

Japanese at least will become available and make a stepping stone for Chinese and other language drivers.

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 23-Mar-2011 13:36:37
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@Belxjander
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Japanese at least will become available

That's music for my ears

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 24-Mar-2011 2:31:42
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@DAX

Well Im not far off getting the last couple of pieces to actually have a working sam460 system,
but the main major hurdle at this point is entirely getting the mainboard itself.

I seriously want to be able to properly test out the Japanese Keymap I have written for AOS4 so I can properly
submit it as a first small step into getting a more complete IME functional.

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 8-Apr-2011 0:45:20
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Update Bump - I am still actively working on this and will be updating things further

I have written (pencil & paper) designs done...just converting those into code from now

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 8-Apr-2011 10:37:10
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@Belxjander
excellent!

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 8-Apr-2011 11:04:49
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I'm in full support of this endeavour. Writing Kana is something i've wanted to do on AmigaOS for quite a while.

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 8-Apr-2011 12:56:13
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@Belxjander

i'm interested in japanese support for os4 too
thanks for doing such a project..

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 2-Feb-2012 6:21:36
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@Belxjander

Bumping this topic - Just wondering if there is any update on the progress with the Japanese support that was being worked on earlier in 2011?

Proper Japanese IME support is sorely lacking in AmigaOS and I for one would love to have it available. I need to use it in MacOS X and Windows 7 and wish I could use it on AmigaOS too!

Thanks for the work done to date - it would be great to see this project realised.

Catcha,
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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 2-Feb-2012 12:05:24
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@Epsilon

I am still working on this.... I have been able to put together a dev environment...
however the machine I am currently using is not able to be used for testing and any material
that I do compile on it... I don't trust the results without being able to test it for myself.

I've also started paying for a sam440flex kit second hand so I can change to a completely
native build process instead.

However real life is getting in the way again with regards making the money side of things very tight again but I will deal with this and somehow complete the project work I have started.

I've also started with a possible means of having the IME installed during normal startup so that it is
triggered as soon as the normal Iprefs runs and expands on the existing locale.library mechanisms
without any patches or hacking.

the only real issue blocking me getting a compile I am happy with is the lack of examples using GCC to build an Amiga OS 4.x Shared Library (Amiga native library , not the Linux style .so Shared Objects).

I don't like being uncertain about that part of the build process and definitely need a working example.

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 14:56:28
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@Belxjander

Congratulations for your work, now the Japanese or Chinese alto run OS4.

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 15:00:45
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@Templario

well the new repository location is the Language Driver project on OpenAmiga.org

I've put up a template "jp106" Keymap there as an initial item needing testing.

The catch is this is a modified from US layout which is expressly defined as an English layout
for the primary mode.

nothing is shown for Alt keys (hiragana will map there eventually) but the IME tool *will* be needed
for full Kanji support to be presented.

I am keeping the existing mappings and re-arranging them to be correct for the Japanese keyboard I use
along with expanding this once I can test the library material itself directly.

I'm not so happy with trying to build the materials using cross-compilation methods.

especially since I have had no luck in actually compiling the compilers from the adtools sources myself.

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 15:46:44
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@Belxjander

I really understand about real life getting in the way...

Thanks for the update - I am glad to hear that some more progress has been made since the last update.

Thanks again for your work on this good project!

Catcha,
Epsilon

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 19:20:01
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@Belxjander

Thank you for working on this!

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Belxjander 
Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 19:40:55
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@Amigo1

Well... I'm not really going to stop until I get ALL of it done...then I might be happy or I might try to make it better.

I've also got another project I will work on as well... but I will definitely need an Amiga OS 4.x system
for testing with (currently working on that).

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 19:50:27
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@Belxjander

why simply dont ask a bounty on http://www.amigabounty.net/?

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Belxjander 
Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 20:09:28
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@Tuxedo

Its already there... but no one seems to be putting anything towards it

same with my other project...

Both of them are already on AmigaBounty

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 20:25:47
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@Belxjander

sorry!
I not looked at suggested bountyes...Hope that someone will open a bounty from one of your projects!
I will donate for the japanese key!

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean/other... support updated!
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 20:34:29
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@Tuxedo

the Keymap is only the first item for the Japanese IME...

and won't actually allow for typing any Japanese Hiragana/Katakana or Kanji without a full IME program,
which I still need to work on...

in the middle of paying for a full AOS4.x system to develop with at the moment...

developing for AmigaOS without an Amiga is very painful with getting the compiler to do the right thing
let alone dealing with an environment I don't trust to make it through compilation.

this PC has already ruined a linux kernel build several times by shutting off during the build process
skewing the result kernel into being unusable (useless to link a kernel when object files are damaged)

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Re: Chinese/Japanese/Korean support
Posted on 4-Feb-2012 21:49:25
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@Chris_Y

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It should be possible to add Korean support with just a language and charset driver

I'm not entirely convinced. Since Korean is written in syllable blocks, it's very much like Japanese kana, or for that matter, like Chinese except for the homonym problem. And there is no law against writiing Chinese characters in Korean text, even though it's not necessary. (And I'm not sure many younger Koreans would necessarily be able to read them.)

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