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Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 17:32:51
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| Hi
Is there any still active projects trying to create a modern web browser for Amiga OS 3.1/3.9?
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 17:51:16
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Netsurf 68k is actively developed (supports CSS, but not javascript). However, it needs UAE to be really useable. Myself, I still use rather IBrowse. |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 17:53:39
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the only currently available alternative is netsurf68k. you will find it in aminet. might be that at some point muiowb will be ported to aros, and become usable under aros68k, but i wouldnt bet on this. |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 18:04:26
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 19:16:46
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| where we see that as only noobs like me volunteered, and nothing ever came out of it, so no chance. |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 20:18:08
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I was hoping it might stir up some new interest.
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 20:31:30
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 13-Sep-2011 23:10:49
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I really do not understand why people aren't more interested this. :( Netsurf is only realistic possibility to get semi modern web browser for 68k amigas.
3-5 years ago there would have been many coders who could have interest for this, but maybe today classic amiga users are so used to been without web browser
OWB would be useable only with UEA, some people are trying to reproduce AWeb souces, and some have just unrealistig suggestions, like firefox 68k, and some even tryin to produce their own browser from scrats. That just to point out that there are many projects going, wich probably doesn't ever materialice, even if they have been used in a lot of time.
Of course everybody does what he likes to do, but please... would this be more realistic? Bigger change to succeed?
Netsurf with reaction/mui gui would be fast task for skilled and experienced coder. Chris has kindly made his OS4 port keeping mind that somebody might want to make 68k version fo it. It means that lots of work has alredy done.
SDL frontend is nice, but SDL version of Netsurf is meant to be debugging only and SDL doesn't do those "speed tricks" that would make it more useable. SDL app also doesn't feel like native amiga app, it locks computer, it doesn't have menus etc.
Last edited by utri007 on 13-Sep-2011 at 11:17 PM. Last edited by utri007 on 13-Sep-2011 at 11:16 PM. Last edited by utri007 on 13-Sep-2011 at 11:11 PM.
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 7:26:13
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I think that all coders who are into new technology and productivity apps, like a browser, have upgraded to the latest version of Amiga and AmigaOS where the stuff happens. This is where it is easy and fast to develop and where there is less memory constraints and CPU power to actually run the software.
The coders who are still using Classic I think are hardcore demo/game devs who like the Classic hardware for what it is.
To get the lastest software technology there is only one way and that is to upgrade the hardware (as with all other technology, except Amiga for some very qierd reason), which automagically gets you the latest OS platform as well.
If you still love your Classic machines to much to upgrade, I'd say NetSurf would be your best bet. _________________ - Don't get fooled by my avatar, I'm not like that (anymore, mostly... maybe only sometimes) > Amiga Classic and OS4 developer for OnyxSoft. |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 8:52:30
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It's interesting and although Netsurf 68k sources are available the sources of extra libraries required are not provided so it's even more painful to perform any test with the new gui.
I have experience with reaction but fighting against dependencies makes me mad.
Another extra problem is the use of ixemul instead of libnix but oh well.
BTW, when will Netsurf get Javascript support? Interest will raise then Last edited by Crumb on 14-Sep-2011 at 08:53 AM.
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 9:13:03
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Wich sources you have looked? You should look sources of Chris's Os4 port. Should be easier. Chris has already done quite much work toward 68k port |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 9:18:59
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for what ive seen chris' port has a lot of reaction dependencies not available on os3, there is whole lot of work to do to adopt it and the result is probably about the completely new frontend. i am not even sure it would have as much in common as to help to dbug both versions. you can take a look at the source yourself btw, rather than repeating what others say.
@crumb im not exactly sure why ixemul is such an evil thing, at least for the time being. would like someone to explain that to me, but well. |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 10:00:07
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68k ones and some dependencies are required. I don't mind re-doing some parts of the gui using older Reaction but searching, modifying and recompiling all the required libraries is very time consuming and boring. Anyway don't hold your breath as I'm busy with some MUI stuff for MorphOS
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The newer reaction classes probably have equivalents and ixemul was ugly but now that binaries are incompatible with MorphOS it's even uglier _________________ The only spanish amiga news web page/club: CUAZ |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 10:58:44
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"ugly" is not a reasonable problem description. i keep hearing it but have never been told what exactly is "ugly". ixemul is of course not state of the art but rather an interim solution. and using it in this case doesnt harm morphos in any way as it had its native netsurf port, which became obsolete since mui-owb si available. |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 13:25:01
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| The only hope for modern browser for classic Amigas was IBrowse 3.0 which never came. Porting modern software will be useless for classic Amigas because of speed requirements. Even Natami will be slow for browsers like NetSurf, OWB or TimberWolf. On the other hand with IBrowse, simple script, FFMpeg and RiVA you can make YouTube replay for classic Amigas with AGA something like the shown on this video.
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 13:39:53
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Since IBrowse doesn't support CSS the pages won't look right so an update would be welcome. _________________ The only spanish amiga news web page/club: CUAZ |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 13:52:14
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Believe it or not, but IBrowse is still my no.1 by usage browser on the AmigaOne. When I used my classic Amiga it was almost the only browser I used. I rarely switched to AWeb and never to the crash-red-guru-fest called Voyager.
Several reasons that I still prefer IBrowse:
- Speed - 68K optimized - Usability - plugins, managers, cookies, etc... - Stability - one of the most stable browsers on Amiga
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 14:47:08
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| Is the source code to IBrowse avalible so it is possible to continue development?
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 15:21:17
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no, ibrowse development was discussed for years. forget it. the said open source alternatives from *ix world are the only hope, believe it or not. |
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Re: Web Browser for Classic Amigas Posted on 14-Sep-2011 15:40:49
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In thsi case Netsurf comes from RiscOS world but this is probably bad as it doens't use threads _________________ The only spanish amiga news web page/club: CUAZ |
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