@Tomas

I know your having problems but that not say that every one has money problems.

Look in the Classified ads if you can afford a new.

Sam440's, Sam460's also fixed AmigaONE-XE's are okay.
Pegasus 2 also work fine whit AmigaOS4, just bit problem whit OpenFirmware and some PCI cards.

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when x1000 start to sell i think some of the people that buys it will sell their old A1/micro/sams etc. Maybe you will get any used hardware cheap enough ?

@Tomas

The economic crisis caused by stupid politicians, greece, spain have problems because of money exchange rates and poor controlled of tax collection, pension age, and lack of investment in manufacturing in the area partly due to low prices from china and partly because lack of investment in research.

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@Darth_X

"Things I want to buy:
An accelerator card for my A3000D & A1200T
Natami"


Do you think these two things will be affordable, especially #2?

Many PC users ask the very same question about Mac OS X.

A huge amount of people find hardware run to Mac OS X expensive, hence why the majority of the world uses Windows.

There was an old saying I got taught growing up, 'You get what you pay for.'

People forgot this as they grow old and complain endlessly about why product B in the supermarket is not as good as product A - perhaps it has something to do with it being dirt cheap.

If you want a dirt cheap, crap operating system you buy Windows, if you want to improve your life you look elsewhere.

Windows is for the masses, its cheap and by the same token doesn't mean its any good or better in anyway.

EDIT: And tbh Hyperion and the Amiga companies don't have a bottomless vault like Bill Scrooge McDuck Gates has access to. If you want to have affordable machines that run AmigaOS you first have to believe in it, dig into your wallet and spend some cash and hope prices for others.

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@K-L

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K-L wrote: @Darth_X Ben Herman don't sell hardware, nor Hyperion, they only produce software. So indeed your question is not aimed at the good person, sorry.

Unless Ben Hermans stepped down from A-Eon, his question was aimed at one of the right people.

A-EON is independent company established to finance the development of new high specification AmigaOne hardware. The principals include Trevor Dickinson, Tony Moorley and Ben Hermans.

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@redrumloa

Yes, indeed but I highly doubt that A-Eon was aimed by his question since we all already know that only the AmigaOne X 1000 is produced at the moment and that A-Cube's Sam range is the "affordable" AmigaOS system.

But well, I'm waiting for thoma's answer : what is "affordable" for DarthX ? Amount ?

Or is the goal of this thread is another way to get us in an endless dbate about AmigaOS 4.x on x86 ?

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@NutsAboutAmiga
you are wrong, the countries in the bottom of the crisis are Greece, Portugal and Ireland.
Spain is not yet in this group, inform yourself more

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@Darth_X

OK I'd say...

1) Not a Ben Hermans' issue, that's correct
2) Sam GETS affordable (vide: Sam-Lite amigakit package or AOne500 branded machine as a compact version)
3) Sam is compared to mid-range notebooks nowadays (price-wise, not the specs-wise)
4) Sam price could be pain for certain countries i.e. Eastern Block (like Poland where price-to-salary ratio of Euro-priced products has 4+ scale factor
5) Alas one has a choice to (i) get a brand-new OS4 HW (ii) try something second-handed to cut the price down

So to summarize, prices could be lower, at least to some (like myself) but we're getting into the right direction and should be happy of what we've got already.

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@natamix

Sorry I get my news from CNN.

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"When" will OS4 run on affordable hardware?

Take it or leave it ... 10 thousands, 3 millions or 1 billion ( depends how you count the possible number of people interested in an OS ) did not take it.

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@All

What will take to AmigaOS4 hardware less costly?

The answer is getting main stream, more efficient production, produce in larger quantities, or find hardware that is procured in larger quantities for PwoerPC that's XBOX and PS3.

If AmigaOS4 supported ARM or X86 we have a lot more options.

X86 is bit of problem because of all the different chipsets to support, also the endien issue.

An other option is if AmigaOS4 gets more appalling to the main steam, this will also result I more sales and an lower price tag.

If you have job you should be able to save some cash even if its cent a month.

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@Darth_X

Well, A-Eon and Acube also want to exist after SAM Aera is over. If X1000 gets into the market we will have highprice and midprice range. I guess the only way to go will then be a lower price Desktop, a notebook or any other "fancy" device. So, trust me, companies usually work behind the scenes and there might be a cheaper HW in the future.

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I see you're not taken in by branding and marketing then...!

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@Tomas

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And the only ones standing in way for that is Hyperion at the moment. They have claimed that OS4 is portable enough for this to be possible, but yet they just don't want to port it. And why would it not be cheaper when x86 hardware is dirt cheap compared? Even with the OS4.x license it would be way cheaper.

Afaik they won't port it caouse it will freeze further development for maybe several years while they do the port. Due to lack of resourses.


And what is an affordable pc? I don't think the sam460 is that expensive.
Since you're from hell, i believe you're from Nord-Trøndelag.

A new sam460: 7756.22nok
Cheapest mac mini: 4.750nok, the other macs are more expensive than the sam460
An ok pc(i5 cpu): 6.795nok.

The specs apart, its betting better. I remember i had to pay the same for my sam440ep as for the sam460. So it's getting there.


@brandonlee

Weeeellll. There are lots more who can buy sam460s than the ferrari.
I could maybe buy 10 sam460's a year. And no ferrari my whole life time.

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@Darth_X

I'm seeing quite bit if nice Sam & A1 systems for sale lately so I'm sure you can find a suitable system if you are serious to buy

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@natamix

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natamix wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga you are wrong, the countries in the bottom of the crisis are Greece, Portugal and Ireland. Spain is not YET in this group, inform yourself more

It's quite simple all the above + Italy + Belgium (+ the US offcourse but lets stick to the Euro) wouldn't be able to create a balanced budget without creating the same downward spiral greece is allready in (which means the budget won't be balanced no matter what harsh laws are passed). Or in other word they are incapable of really paying back a single ct of their debt and will therefore be downgraded more and more until something breaks.

Nuff of politics

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Hm, at least in Germany, if I take into account the loss of purchase power over the years I come to the following:

- When the A500 came out in 1987 it costed about 1300 DM.
- Until 2010 the purchasing power of the DM (yes, it still exists) changed, it went down to about 63% of it's value back in 1987.
- That means today you'd have to pay about 2062 DM for that thingy.
- 2062 DM = 1054 EUR
- AmigaOne500 = 1062,38 EUR (inkl. VAT)

Hmmmmmm. Looks pretty identical to me, an Amiga-typical pile of money
Not saying it's affordable, just saying:

An AmigaOne500 is almost exactly as affordable as an Amiga 500 was.

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@Darth_X

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"When" will OS4 run on affordable hardware?

Only if Acube starts selling SAM 440 for lower price, as current low end hardware - e.g for 300 euros board, if that is considered "affordable".

There is no other currently viable solution, since PPC hardware is rare and manufactured in small quantities, while its unikely OS 4 will go x86 (and even going x86 could support only few boards, that again would be out of market in a year ...)

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