Hi,

this application looks really interesting and promising...

http://www.geit.de/deu_grunch.html
http://www.geit.de/stupid/Grunch.readme

http://www.geit.de/images/grunch/Grunch1.jpg
http://www.geit.de/images/grunch/Grunch2.jpg

Grunch is a MultiOS program around downloading, installing, updating, to make a removing from programs possible in simplest way and to keep the associated difficulties of the user far.

Grunch takes over here!

There were already before different package managers and those all failed, why thus should be with Grunch different? Correctly! There were various other package managers and all had their restrictions and problems.

Past package managers were from the outset a large miss, because developers were compelling these to supporting.

Not badly the developers on the own side are to be had, if they also wish. It is a large assistance and if it only consists of it homogeneous archives with clean naming to provide. Where I am straight with the topic assistance. There are hundreds of people there outside, no problems thereby has their system by hand to configure. Why should these persons be able to help not also?

Some people are translators and love it catalogs to repair and update, during others it love these to test. Why shouldn't one bring both groups together? A simple data base on a server and zwoosh. A fast and effective interaction between both groups was created. Necessarily the data are not even to be maintained into a over-complicated data base.

That is the large goal of Grunch. Everyone can help! Back to the servers. Servers are in this case simple HTTP servers. Nothing special, but central enough, in order to supply the masses with new files.

A data base on the current conditions to hold is always a problem. Differently formulates: What happens, if geit dead in its armchair sits? The solution is simple. Someone takes the last data base of the server, changes those for URL therein and loads this data base on its own web page highly. All users must download and into its Grunch listing put uniquely this file manually now with a Webbrowser. That is already everything. Immediately they get their data of the new source, which is controlled by the new manager. Simply or?

People already talked about a AppStore for MorphOS or AmigaOS. Now, there was much laughter, but it is objectively regarded simply coolly only if one has a central point, thus one for programs looks and click is later everything installed. (iPad user speaks here) this software is e.g. a more flexible solution than the luggage Ultimate of Papiosaur. The luggage is nice and helpful for a risers, contains in addition, many programs the even experienced users still at all do not know. Unfortunately those cannot install the package, because it is meant for freshly installed systems only and creates on a system more problems already configured than it solves. It is “all or nothing” a solution. Yes, I did not also install the luggage Ultimate, but I downloaded it and me the beads pulled out by hand there. Grunch is (becomes) a kind software shop to be, where one looks for simply programs, installed and again far away, if one does not like her. Not until today Grunch informed me about an actualization of OWB and clicks was installed it later. Even to these click can be still avoided, if one deaktivert the safety inquiries and switches automatic updating on.

Dependence are always a large problem. Not only with MorphOS. Grunch knows and supports dependence both for installing, and for removing from programs. If someone thus e.g. installs a play, which needs PowerSDL, then Grunch to examine whether PowerSDL is installed. Otherwise, Grunch will inquire and then both will install or the installation off will break. If the user tries differently around PowerSDL to deinstallieren, then Grunch will present a list of programs, which need all PowerSDL and these also with deinstallieren, if that is desired.

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Why didn't you link to the English page instead?

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Thanks for your inclusion.
http://www.geit.de/eng_grunch.html

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Tried this thingie and its really nice so far.
Installed a few things and got some mess cleaned up because Grunch had ideas about where to put stuff. =D
I havent tried Jack on os4 yet, but having this on MorphOS makes me happy all day.

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It claims to do a lot of magical things, but it is not clear to me how it actually does it! If program developers do not have to support it, how does it learn about the programs, so that it can check dependencies & also uninstall?

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AFAI understand it, any ppl can care for the database entries or setup new databases. Grunch only needs to know where it can fetch a database from.

Anyway I tried it yesterday and so far it seems to work well (MorphOS). The biggest issue I discovered yet is, that the detection whether a program is installed already fails when teh drawer has an "unexpected name". E.g. Grunch doesn't see OWB being installed because OWB doesn't reside in a drawer called OWB, but OWB-morphos-1.14.
But I updated a few libraries and other stuff successfully with Grunch already. Seems to be pretty nice.

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hmmm... thought I'd try it on OS4, does nothing though. for a start the icon is 264x144 and OS4 only allows upto 255x255...
Edited the icon down to 254x144 so at least it shows up...
Double clicking it does nothing though...
Read the install instructions in the icon-less guide file.. "Just drop the Grunch drawer in sys:Applications. Installation done!" erm... sys:applications must be a mos thing...
Created it and droped Grunch in it, double click the icon and...


...nothing.

So is it "Multi Amiga OS except OS4" or just broken?

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@Severin

it runs on 3.X that is enough for me

@Severin

i did not use the icon but started the file i copied from bin. That worked.

@OlafS25

Running the program in bin just tells me that it's unable to set-up assigns and my installation is broken.

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@Severin

under 3.X i had to copy the appropriate file ("...68k") from bin in the main directory with the icon and then i startet this file in the main directory directly (without klicking on the icon).

Step 1:
Copy file from bin to directory with icon
Step 2:
Start this file

under 3.X it worked at me. Perhaps the same in AmigaOS

@Severin

does it work?

@OlafS25

No, I get lots of DSI and ISI errors using both ppc and 68k versions until the system locks up.

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@Severin

then report it to the programmer... email: geit at gmx . de . I think he uses MorphOS but perhaps he can help you there

I do not know if i explained it right... you must start the file in the directory with the icon (not that one that is in the bin directory)

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@OlafS25

Will do, I've hassle... er.. helped geit many times in the past with his software.

Yes you explained ok, that's what I did.

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@Severin

then there seem to be problems there... I looked in the help but no further requirements there

Just some small notes from Geit:

- the 68k version only installs 68k SW, using it on OS4 isn't a good idea
- you need to move "Grunch_AOSPPC" to the main dir and rename it "Grunch" (thereby replacing the MorphOS-binary)
- keep your hands of the C directory
- there will be a new version soon with a smaller icon and an installer script
- it can be installed wherever you like
- there will be an adapted manual with the next version
- if you moved G* apps from Grunch/c to c: you have to delete them (or they won't be updated)

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I think this question needs an answer:

What happens, if geit dead in its armchair sits?

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- the 68k version only installs 68k SW, using it on OS4 isn't a good idea

What about adding a warning (and possibly exiting the app) when trying to run the 68k binary on a PPC OS ?

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Quickly scanned through this thread, but could not determine if anyone has successfully installed and used Grunch on OS4.x?

Also, don't know if anyone has created an OS4.x database for Grunch to work with, or how many programs/games are included in any database for OS4.x (if any database has been created yet).

I have found that you cannot run the Grunch installer, as it crashes my X1000 every time and the only way to get it working again is through a hard reset using the On/Off switch.

Will try one more time by dropping Grunch into the applications directory as suggested above and will also look for more information, like an OS4.x install guide in the archive.

I really like Grunch on MorphOS2.7 and think that it is essential to any new MorphOS user, so I was hoping it could be just as important to me on OS4.x, as I am a complete newbie on my X1000.

Let me know if any of you are using Grunch on OS4.x. Thanks

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