Just have a time for today and do some tests on my peg2 , to compare amigaos4 with morphos.

Sadly that i have only mos2.5 installed on my peg (while aos4 are latest), but there should't be big differences in terms of tests which i do beetwen mos2.5 and 2.7

So, i just do 3 plain tests: Booting, USB and copy-to-ram.

Booting
From sfs0, with same blocksizes and buffers, without panels, and without 3d party progs in startups.

morphos2.5: 16-17 sec till full usable desktop
amigaos4.1u3: 34 sec till usable desktop

Conclusion: with the booting situation are bad. I remember someone say before on some forum, that he like amigaos4 because of "fast booting". Well.. It can be faster on 50%, if do the same as morphos coders (i.e. unpacking to the ram and start from it, or how it done on morphos).

RAM coping
copy 55mb file to RAM via "copy" command from shell:

amigaos4.1u3, from JXFS to RAM: 3,5 seconds.
amigaos4.1u3, from SFS2 to RAM: 5 seconds
amigaos4.1u3, from SFS0 to RAM: 3 seconds

morphos2.5, from SFS0 to RAM: 3,5 seconds.

As we can see SFS0 speed on aos4 even a little faster. The only jxfs looks like the same by speed as sfs0 on morphos, but jfx also more feature rich (imho), so, not bad for aos4 there.

Conclusion: the same speed


USB
Pegasos 2 have USB 1.1 by default , so tests done mosly for usb1.1

copy 55mb file from usb stick , formatted as fat32 on the winxp, to ram:

morphos2.5: 55 seconds
amigaos4.1u3: 59 seconds

copy 55mb file from SFS0 to the same USB flash formatted as SFS0:

morphos2.5: 58 seconds
amigaos4.1u3: 62 seconds

As you can see, speed are the same, but, morphos still faster on few seconds (i.e, on 4 seconds).

Conclusion: almost the same (almost).

The final conclusion: aos4 show us almost the same speed as morphos on those tests (not like before, when aos4 was slower a lot in many areas), but still, that areas still even can't be compare, because they slower on 50%:

1. Booting
2. Warp3D

For the warp3d will be interesting to see how Gallium3d/mesa speed will be, but for booting, i think hyperion devs should take a note on this, and make it the same way as on morphos. Because booting, its one of the important moments which can attract, or slack off new users (and even old ones). Bottin always was the best point of amigaos, so, that should be taken care.

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Would be interesting if you can try the latest Quake3/OpenArena bin from m3x
and compare the speed (FPS) between MorphOS 2.5 and AmigaOS 4.1 Update 3 on your Pegasos 2

This is the exe

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FRQU7ST8

Take note that you need the Quake 3 files and you may need to rename the "baseoa" folder when the game files are stored, infact this exe can be used indifferently with Quake 3 and/or OpenArena

That's the setting you need for the test

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GL extension ON Video mode 640x480 o 800x600 o 1024x768 o 1280x1024 Color Depth 32bit Fullscreen ON Lighting Lightmap Geometric Detail HIGH Texture Max Detail level Texture Quality 32bit Texture Filter Trilinear

To begin the automatic test:

- Start the exe and type "\" to access the console
- Type on console "timedemo 1" then press Enter
- Type on console "demo four" then press Enter

Test it for each resolution, then when each single test is completed open again the console with the "\" key and read the FPS result

Finally plz report your result here

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@samo79

If you will provide a binary for morphos as well, then i can test it.

But, imho that will make not much sense to compare, just because its all tested and retested milions times, and we all know that our current 3d system are suck and will be replaced soon, and the results will be : mos version faster on 30-50% :)

But still, if you in interest, put a link to morphos binary, so i will do it.

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In terms of boot-times, i think we should go back to the roots and put the whole kicklayout to bios-flashrom to gain more speed on bootup.

That should be possible!

I hope they manage to realise it in one way for the AmigaONE X1000.

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Just if they will do the same as on morphos, that will be already fine enough. Booting of morphos really feels very fast, but booting of amigaos4 really start to feels slower and slower with each update. Differences are 20 seconds, but its pretty visibly and even i from time to time think "blah, loads faster plz"

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Doing 3d and other tests on an outdated version of morphos? asking os4 devs to do like morphos? If you want 'alien' os features stick to using alien os.


Removed last sentence, reason: Flame/Attack. /tomazkid

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I find OS 4.1 install has become a LOT slower to boot after update 3 though. Anyone know why? My machine used to soft boot in like 5 seconds before, now it's nearer 1 min!

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Why not compare with AROS booting on ACER aspire one ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIQTRViPKLg

12 sec..

www.aspireos.com

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@kas1e

Yes this is the latest MorphOS port

http://bigfoot.morphos-team.net/files/morphosquake3r2.lha

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But, imho that will make not much sense to compare, just because its all tested and retested milions times, and we all know that our current 3d system are suck and will be replaced soon, and the results will be : mos version faster on 30-50% :)

Well there are been some improvements (altrough mostly bugfix) in latest Warp3D so a test should be interesting to check eventual progress or regression between OS4 and MOS

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@nikosidis
If you will give me a link on working AROS for peg2, i will do the tests of course. The point about comparing different oses on the same HW.

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@samo79

I just tryed aos4 binary, it runs, then i press on "SETUP" by mouse and then aos4 freezes.

Then i reboot, and trying to do the same , but at this time from console, with big stack size. Now i can pass to setup, but when i set all the settings, its again freeze os4 whole.

Again reboot, again big stack size (20000000), and then it again freezes in the menu.

So, i think its enough for 3d tests , expectually quake3 ones :)

EDIT: i somehow manage to start the demo with need it settings (without touching of mouse, just from keyboard), and in 640x480 i have 30.2 fps

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It's very strange, can you try this one:

http://www.soft3dev.net/games/openarena-ns.lha

Here it works perfectly, i try on Sam Flex and on AmigaOne

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Sadly that i have only mos2.5 installed on my peg

But... but... Why? By the time you finished running one of that benchmarks you could easily upgrade your MorphOS to 2.7. What's up, Roman, don't like CD-Rs? I have one spare copy of 2.7 install CD if that's the problem.

Or is it dual boot that makes upgrading so pain-in-the-arse'ish?

@recedent

Not that one would even need a CDR to update ......

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But... but... Why? By the time you finished running one of that benchmarks you could easily upgrade your MorphOS to 2.7. What's up, Roman, don't like CD-Rs?

I update from 2.3 to 2.5 by mounting mos iso on aos4, and then recopy necessary stuff to, and the same imho will going fine for migrate from 2.5 to 2.7. I just not so worry about before, as 2.5 was fine enough (and still). But sure, for more accurate benhmarking need to update.

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I have one spare copy of 2.7 install CD if that's the problem.

What you mean ? How CDs can be a problem, and what mean that you have "spare copy" ? I.e. i understand what you mean, but didn't it easy to burn CD (even if it need it), than asking some one for "spare copy" ?:)

Anyway, the whole point of thread, is to show, that aos4 slower on booting, but the same on coping to ram and usb, and that is better in compare with how it was even 2 years ago (when i first time run aos4).

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@kas1e
I made some tests of my start-up times on Sam440_Flex, after a clean install but when I did the chronometer thing I had already installed several components (although it was just a few days after the clean install).
So I went on and made another clean install (takes very little so no probs ), and my boot time lowered somewhat to just 25 seconds (cold boot to a usable desktop).
Might not be the fastest, and it's not the same HW, but in any case I would still not consider this as a major problem worth wasting precious programing time on...

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touche.

@kas1e:

You can do just the same on MorphOS too (mount an .iso and recopy stuff). If we are to compare seriously let's be serious. Maybe 2.7 on your hardware boots 40 secs longer than 4.1u3? We'll never know unless you try that.

@DAX

25 seconds without tweaks ? Default installation and update3 (not update2 or update1) ? I assume it was update1 or update2. Yes, that was aroun 25 seconds (and what was already not so fast). But now, with update3, its start to be slower a lot on booting.

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You can do just the same on MorphOS too (mount an .iso and recopy stuff). If we are to compare seriously let's be serious. Maybe 2.7 on your hardware boots 40 secs longer than 4.1u3? We'll never know unless you try that.

Right. Will install 2.7 today/tomorrow for make more accurate tests.

Through, i was in some opinion, that morphos already get some level in terms of booting, usb and working with ram, which are the same after 2.5 (as i not heard that any kind of work was done on it).

But you are right of cource, just for sake of truth need to compare with 2.7

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Yup, without any tweaks (on Sam440_Flex), I just used OS4.1.1 Iso, and then applied update 2 and then 3, (on a clean DH0 partition) 25 seconds.
It's good enough for me.

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