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blankcrows 
Looking For Workbench v1.3.............
Posted on 1-Dec-2011 6:58:20
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(Maybe this belongs in the hardware section, but I'll try here first.)

I recently purchased an old Amiga 500, but it did not come with a Workbench disk to boot it with. Looks like it is in brand new condition, so I hope it will work. Can someone point me to a site where I can download a reliable copy of Workbench v1.3?

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Posted on 1-Dec-2011 8:20:49
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@blankcrows

Workbench 1.3 is copyrighted. You can obtain a legal copy from AmigaForever package which is sold by most Amiga shops (e.g. AmigaKit, Vessalia etc). The copy will come in ADF. Disk copies of 1.3 aren't sold anymore (perhaps you can find some on eBay). Of course, you can always check tpb for a free and illegal download. Software is well over 23 years old, having that in mind, you can decide for yourself what to do.

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@blankcrows

eBay is your friend

http://goo.gl/PbkqL

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Re: Looking For Workbench v1.3.............
Posted on 1-Dec-2011 8:59:13
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Before someone jumps into this thread and starts ranting about how Workbench, or any other part of AmigaOS1.x to 3.x should be free and open sourced by now, and worse, starts ranting about how you can't buy it anywhere any more and that the copies inside the AmigaForever are not authorized for use in Real Amiga 68k computers, please stop before you start.

We don't need to go through all of that whining and ranting again. It serves NO PURPOSE!

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Posted on 1-Dec-2011 12:27:31
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@blankcrows

Like Shufflepuck says eBay is a good place to find someone selling Workbench 1.3 or just do a quick google for it I'm sure you will find it somewhere where someone is either selling it or willing to even give it away fro free...

I wouldn't worry about the copyright mafia ranting & whining again, it's not owned by them and what you do is your business...

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Bah! Buy the disks from Ebay...there is something to be said about booting up real hardware with the "orginial equipment" boot disks! :)

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Franko 
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Here's a couple of Workbench 1.3 disks available on eBay today...

Workbench 1.3 including A500 manuals...

Workbench 1.3...

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Bamiga2002 
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Posted on 1-Dec-2011 15:37:12
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@Franko
This reminds me of a WB 1.3 thread on a.org ;)

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@Franko
This reminds me of a WB 1.3 thread on a.org ;)


I had noticed that myself, just as I had noticed a certain poster here trying to have his usual wee dig at me about it...

I have to laugh at how some members seem to think that have the right to tell others what they can and can't post about based on their own highly biased opinions and think everyone else should do & say what they think is right...

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blankcrows 
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Thanks everyone for the ideas. I didn't know the old software was still protected. That Ebay listing for the disks and manuals is tempting, and I don't mind paying for original Workbench disks , but until I find out if the computer works or not I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on all that stuff just to test the hardware.

I'll have to keep my eyes open for a inexpensive Workbench disk to see if the computer works. If it does, then I can worry about getting some manuals for it as I don't have any of those either.

Was any other software originally packaged with the A500? I might have to look for that as well.

I see there are some listings for original Workbench 2.05 software. Will those work in this computer? when powered up the screen wants the v1.3 disk.

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@blankcrows

I got mine from Cloanto. The price is reasonable if you buy the "value edition" of AmigaForever, and you can download the disc image without waiting to have it shipped to you.

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@amigadave
The a500 included a license for 1.2/1.3, so in some countries it is still technically legal to download a copy.

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@blankcrows

The picture on the screen says it needs the Workbench disk but you can use any game to test if it works. The Amiga should start to load from the game disk just fine, you don´t need the Workbench disk to start games and most programs. The fact that it shows the disk logo is a good sign.

I assume you don´t have any game disks either but they are maybe easier to get a hold of?

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I see there are some listings for original Workbench 2.05 software. Will those work in this computer? when powered up the screen wants the v1.3 disk.


You really need the Kickstart 2.0 or above ROM for this to run...

If you can't find a Workbench 1.3 disk set for sale right now, then just google for it, you will find plenty of sites where you can obtain it one way or the other for now until you can purchase an original set...

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Posted on 1-Dec-2011 21:47:03
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@blankcrows

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blankcrows wrote:

I see there are some listings for original Workbench 2.05 software. Will those work in this computer? when powered up the screen wants the v1.3 disk.
If the start screen says 1.3, then that's the version of the Kickstart ROM in the machine, probably the original one. You cannot run a 2.0 Workbench on that, you do need 1.3 disks.

But you can try to find an upgrade kit with 2.0 ROM chip and disks, then you can run 2.0 fine on the A500 - or even later upgrade it to 2.1 (which was a software only upgrade).

Actually, IIRC, you could also upgrade it to 3.1 by changing the Kickstart ROM to a 3.1 one and installing WB 3.1, couldn't you? I may remember this wrong, it's been many years since I last turned my A500 on. But I'm sure it ran at least 2.1 at the end.

Note, though, that any such upgrade kit needs to be specifically for the A500, as the ROM chips from other models won't fit.

Best regards,

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vox 
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@blankcrows

Quickest way to get them is as ADF files (but not most legal, as you should have the original copy of those to have ADFs. But since you have A500 you should have them ...)

Type " Workbench 1.3 ADF" on Google and you will figure it out.

But a bit more tricky part is to write ADF back to real Amiga floppy. You will need those Amiga DD disks or cable connection and Hombre
http://wiki.abime.net/file_transfer/hombre

Or buy great AmigaForever package and get ADF files there beside lot more featured in Amiga Forever 2011.

If you want the real disks with manual, eBay is the only solution.

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@blankcrows

Actually, IIRC, you could also upgrade it to 3.1 by changing the Kickstart ROM to a 3.1 one and installing WB 3.1, couldn't you? I may remember this wrong, it's been many years since I last turned my A500 on. But I'm sure it ran at least 2.1 at the end.

Note, though, that any such upgrade kit needs to be specifically for the A500, as the ROM chips from other models won't fit.

Best regards,

Niels


Been so long since I owned an A500 but I think it only had space for one ROM chip, 3.0 & 3.1 consist of two ROM chips...

Plus if you installed WB 3.1 on an A500 there could be a lot of problems as the libraries etc... would be looking for AGA stuff in some cases and an 020 processor...

Mind you it wouldn't surprise me if someone somewhere had come up with a solution to this...

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Posted on 1-Dec-2011 23:04:27
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@blankcrows

Check for a local user group as they are very helpful.

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Posted on 2-Dec-2011 13:03:38
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@vox
Good 'ol DOS-2-DOS will do the trick coupled with TransDisk. Compress (with LHA)
and copy coompressed ADF to DD-disk on PC, use DOS-2-DOS to make Amiga recognise PC floppy, uncompress the LHA-archive to RAM: and use TransDisk to write it to a Amiga DD floppy.

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Been so long since I owned an A500 but I think it only had space for one ROM chip, 3.0 & 3.1 consist of two ROM chips... Plus if you installed WB 3.1 on an A500 there could be a lot of problems as the libraries etc... would be looking for AGA stuff in some cases and an 020 processor... Mind you it wouldn't surprise me if someone somewhere had come up with a solution to this...


Should just answer the man`s question

To best of my knowledge, you are right about ROM chips: only upgrade for A500 was Fat Agnus. But you are about to be wrong with 68020/AGA requirements of OS 3.1: its pure 68 000 code and can be run in OCS/ECS modes (as it on inital boot up doesn`t use AGA). Well demonstrated by using OS 3.1 on Minimig.

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Good 'ol DOS-2-DOS will do the trick coupled with TransDisk. Compress (with LHA) and copy coompressed ADF to DD-disk on PC, use DOS-2-DOS to make Amiga recognise PC floppy, uncompress the LHA-archive to RAM: and use TransDisk to write it to a Amiga DD floppy.


You are right, my friend. Thanks. That is the easiest way.

However, don`t forget A500 comes with 0,5MB unexpanded and man has no Workbench or DOS2DOS / CrossDOS disks so we need to provide him with disk2disk writting that doesn`t use RAM: disk. Almost there. But Hombre serves the purpose.

Generaly, he can get WB 1.3 ADFs with ease.

Follow this instructions once you copy ADFs to PC disk (hope you have floppy on PC. Take disks and cover the holes on upper ends with cell tape. Format it on PC as 720K floppy).

Tricky part can be floppy sizes, if he zipp 880K ADF and its more then 720K transfer is impossible, unless he gets HD external floppy for Amiga (expensive toy back at the days)

Maye eBay after all

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