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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 13-Jan-2012 10:53:38
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| Golded 6, just the editor part not the full IDE. I have it customised so much to use any other editor would be too much trouble.
Shell, GCC and DOpus4 to copy files around. And a very simple Makefile.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 13-Jan-2012 14:31:52
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| @itix
I totally agree with you.
I was just trying to give a general idea to a non-programmer (as TheDaddy called himself), but thanks for pointing that out.
Regards g0blin Last edited by g0blin on 13-Jan-2012 at 02:32 PM.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 13-Jan-2012 14:41:30
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| @TheDaddy
That's a different story. Wine dosn't recompile software, it just runs the original code on top of an emulated machine.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 13-Jan-2012 14:50:29
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| @itix
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...but improving and refactoring algorithms |
You know quite a bit more then the average programmer/designer! Most speed increase can be gained with that very outset, not so much, if any, by using assembler. Don't ever be fooled by assuming that the optimisations applied by the compiler suite will magically substitute poorly designed algorithms.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 13-Jan-2012 17:16:09
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 13-Jan-2012 17:39:09
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| @TheDaddy
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I always had this idea of creating a program that would automatically convert a piece of software available on other platforms to the Amiga but I bet it can't be done...
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It can be done !
This is what Amiga programming lacks - the building blocks for compatible code.
AmigaOS api needs to be more OS independant, any differences need be in classes and use overloading.
All Amigaoid APIs docs, need XML like structure to compare diffs easy.
Then create Class sets that overload to a common class/function.
Start off with simple functions like Time, see how Windows/Linux/Mac have structured them and create a function/ Class that is compatible with All.
One will end up with say :
System.Time.GetCurrentTime
(which is good enough as a VisualBasic High level like Language), but code is in C/C++ that can be exported.
Have GUI module using XUL-MUI convert for compatibility.
Have code that is compatible to Mono, cross platform source code environment.
http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
Its a shame C/C++ on Amiga does not have thousands of custom Headers / Classes created by users, like AmiBlitz does.
Why is C/C++ so incompatible / fiddly to install / compile other C/C++ code ?
Thats its downfall.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 13-Jan-2012 21:35:18
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 14-Jan-2012 3:34:22
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I've used Mono and C#.NET briefly. WinForms is ok on Windows but basically STINKS on anything else running Mono (especially Macs like mine).
If you want something using XML that more than one GUI builder supports, finish the wxWidgets port and use XRC as your standard file format. I dropped WinForms in favor of wxFormBuilder. It's that good. Yes, really! |
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 14-Jan-2012 11:54:34
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On the PC I typically used Visual Studio. It seemed that everything I wanted to do was an exception from what Microsoft allowed to be done, so I had to do a lot of hacking and kludging to work around their code and way of doing things. For low level development I used ITools. On the Amiga I was using Cubic IDE but recently switched to CodeBench. I also use BitByBits SDK browser a lot.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 14-Jan-2012 13:33:07
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Well if you rally wont to you can write Cygnix /Cygwin applications. They are slow but they work on many platforms.
Unless your making a web application is better to write it for the native API.
I use VB2008 not because its fast (its slow as hell) I use VB2008 because I can make applications quirky in it, Barclay I don't case as long as the SQL server is doing heavy lifting. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 14-Jan-2012 at 01:34 PM.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 14-Jan-2012 14:27:56
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clusteruk wrote: I code Visual Studio C#.net for work with SQL backend.
I also program Android with Eclipse and iOS with XCode.
Sorry to say I do not code Amiga because I need a debugger, not enough time in the day to do it with printf commands. Fix that I am away.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 14-Jan-2012 14:32:54
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| @thinkchip I use SASC on my A1200 because it has the best debugger.
For editing source I use CED or GoldEd.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 14-Jan-2012 19:58:51
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| CubicIDE and Jamie Krueger's SDK Browser. _________________ The Rear Window blog
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 14-Jan-2012 21:40:11
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| I'm using Codebench and for me it's currently the best dev package available for C/C++ on AOS4 (on 68k HiSoftC++ is the all time favorite due to integrated source level debugging with GUI!).
My biggest problems regarding developing for Amigaoide OSes are the awful and at least for me really difficult to understand (68k-)API in the first place (I'm still using that one due to compatibility reasons) which makes developers live really hard (as said as least for me - compared to Java API, SDL or even Windows-API for example). In the second place it is the missing source level debugging with GUI for C/C++ and the still not so comfortable and mighty IDEs (in comparison to Eclipse with all its facettes, NetBeans, VisualStudio and similar ones). But the latter one is absolutely understandable considering the amount of users/developers within the Amiga community compared to the ones where Eclipse originated from. I'd really like to spend some money for such a thing as I did formerly for Golded. |
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 16-Jan-2012 21:07:51
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| @TheDaddy Quote:
And is it possible to create a piece of software which translates a program into the same program for another OS? |
Yup. But normally the program needs to use abstractions that were designed to be portable in the first place (e.g. PortablE's)._________________ Author of the PortablE programming language. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue... |
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 16-Jan-2012 21:15:11
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| @thinkchip I prefer to avoid complex (and typically buggy) IDEs, and so just use a powerful text editor (CygnusEd) to write programs using my PortablE programming language (well, when I am not improving PortablE itself!).
The less complex the developer tools, the less there is to learn, the less there is to go wrong, and the less messing about to do something simple. _________________ Author of the PortablE programming language. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue... |
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 16-Jan-2012 22:46:03
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Hollywood 4.8 under Windos and under Amiga OS4.1. |
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 17-Jan-2012 1:30:51
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CB is moving in the right direction with every public release is becoming more and more stable.
The next major feature will be PHP/HTML(etc) so it becomes a viable IDE for web design/development too.
At some point after that the CB website mentions a GUIBench module for CB so developers can actually start building windows, gadgets, listers and whatever by just dragging stuff around and typing into textboxes and moving sliders etc... or perhaps he may ditch that in favour of whatever Jamie Krueger is up to. Either way, its just one person right? Last edited by djrikki on 17-Jan-2012 at 01:34 AM. Last edited by djrikki on 17-Jan-2012 at 01:33 AM. Last edited by djrikki on 17-Jan-2012 at 01:31 AM.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 17-Jan-2012 5:51:55
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@thinkchip I prefer to avoid complex (and typically buggy) IDEs, and so just use a powerful text editor (CygnusEd) to write programs using my PortablE programming language (well, when I am not improving PortablE itself!).
The less complex the developer tools, the less there is to learn, the less there is to go wrong, and the less messing about to do something simple.
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I dont think Visual Studio or xcode are very complex. Eclipse is getting a bit complex for my liking I guess.. What IDE's have you used on other platforms?
Code completion/intellisense, a nice debugger, right click "Go to definition" are three features we take for granted now, but they're really useful. I feel like I'm in the dark ages with the editors I've tried for Javascript.
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Re: What development package do you use? Posted on 17-Jan-2012 11:14:14
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