@BigD

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Quote: Most of the Old Testament is pure evil. It is really amazing that you who read the Bible and take it for granted as the word of the mubo-man cannot see this. Presumably you've read it to have such a strong opinion?

More than enough to see the morals are not existing at all. I would be horrified if people wer brought up that way now. And you as an American style Bible basher would not like all those jews anyway would you ? Whatever CHristianity once had was corrupted in around 300AD, and iotally corrupted by the evangelist nutcases last cenury.

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The 'faith without seeing' aspect is what make it FAITH IN GOD.

A very poor argument. Why have faith in something that does not exist ? There is no reason whatsoever to assume a god exists.

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Doubting Thomas saw Jesus in person following the crucifixion and believed in JESUS' resurrection

Met him recently have you, did he tell you this himself or is it just another myth. My money is on the latter and I am not a betting man.

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but we are more blessed to believe without seeing.

That is just stupid and insane. BTW how are Santa and the Easter Bunny getting along and pass my regards to the bogey man and the faries - oops I forgot you are not on speaking terms with them are you.

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There is far too much historical proof for the resurrection to dismiss it in such an out of hand and uninformed way!

There is no archeological evidence what so ever for the resurrection. The guy probably faked his death and then came back - so what. I always found it strange that for so long people have worshipped a guy (that probably WAS trying to do the right thing) but got caught and then was executed - or so we are led to believe. Not much of a hero really.

I think that the genuine historical character was not that bothered about creating a religion but was some form of bumbling freedom fighter and would loathe what has since gone on in his name.

The actions of a person 2000 years ago have zero relevance to the universe and what we now know about science. It is you my friend who is uninformed about reality. Fairy stories deserve to be dismissed out of hand as they belong to an age of ignorance, when people did not know any better so made up stories to explain the (then very small and narrow) world around them.

I think you ought to read a bit of Dawkins and also the one I am reading now "God is Not Great" by Chris Hitchins before you blindly belive in superstitious rubbish. Have a look at the history of Christianity and there is nothing you would want to be proud of at all.

@Big D

100 Minnesota Priests support Same-sex marriage It appears you see as same-sex marriage as anti-Christian. There's a group of 95, working towards 100, retired Priests who are stepping forward against the Minnesota Ballot Ammendment this fall that defines opposite sex marriage as the only type of marriage in my State.

Now note we do already have laws on the book that define opposite sex marriage as the only kind in Minnesota. The ballot this fall it to make it a State Constitutional Ammendment. Making the idea much harder to reverse. Though on this issue within the State it appears the attempt to sell this divisiveness is stirring the liberal voter base that would oppose this ammendment more than the conservative supporting base. Nov will tell.

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The ballot this fall it to make it a State Constitutional Ammendment. Making the idea much harder to reverse.

Laws like this, together with Tennessee's laws encouraging the teaching of creationism as science, are very worrying. There is something about the current state of politics in your country that makes the name Nehemiah Scudder spring to my mind. It is entirely possible that the old 1950's sci-fi writers were better at predicting the future than we gave them credit for.
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Canada isn't far behind the USA. LINK . And Canada's a mere 5 hour drive from my house. Or if you want the 'road' less traveled there is many lakes in Northern MN that'll get a family there.

Interesting debate on UK BBC news today.

BBC news article and video

Greg Daly, the Catholic Voices spokesperson, managed to speak for several minutes at a time without making a single coherent argument. Was this the best they could do?

Looking forward to seeing what the Scottish government does next!

Cheers,

AndyC

@AndyC

After watching that then I need to ask...

Why do gay people always sounds erm... gay when they speak ???

and why do Catholic Representatives always sound like an Irishman speaking at 90 miles an hour and you'd need a Babelfish stuck in yer lugole to understand them ???

Gawd, ah ah gled ah speak Scoatish...

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Why do gay people always sounds erm... gay when they speak ???

They are trying to conform to their communities expectations of them! The freedom of 'coming out' is supposed to give them the freedom to express to the world who they really are and yet they end up conforming to a 'homosexual stereotype'

Perhaps they should find some other part of their personality to be 'proud' about rather than what they do with their private parts!

@Franko

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Franko wrote: @AndyC ... Why do gay people always sounds erm... gay when they speak ??? ...

Ummm - gay marriage - wouldn't this contribute to 'global warming'?


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Sorry, couldn't resist...

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Franko wrote: @AndyC ... Gawd, ah ah gled ah speak Scoatish...

And I prefer to drink Scotch...

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Quote: Why do gay people always sounds erm... gay when they speak ??? They are trying to conform to their communities expectations of them! The freedom of 'coming out' is supposed to give them the freedom to express to the world who they really are and yet they end up conforming to a 'homosexual stereotype' Perhaps they should find some other part of their personality to be 'proud' about rather than what they do with their private parts!

Why don't you find some other part of your personality to be proud about, rather than your "religious" believes? Aren't you just conforming to your community's stereotype by proclaiming your hatred using "christian" values?

If you stopped caring so much about what other people do with their private parts, all of this wouldn't be a problem.

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@Franko

I just thought he sounded like he was from Livvy, no?

AndyC (Fi the Ferry)

@jaokim

BigD makes (for a change) a reasonable point here. I've met many gay men with outlandishly obvious feminine affectations, which are completely forced and unecessary. I've also seen gay men in the company of straight men talk completely differently when in the company of other gay men. But by the same token I know some gay men who have no such feminine affectations.

This is, in all probability, a cultural thing - no different to the way I might talk differently when with my family then when I am out on the lash with my mates.

But then I am no expert and don't claim to know one way or ther other.

AndyC

@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Franko Perhaps they should find some other part of their personality to be 'proud' about rather than what they do with their private parts!

To be honest I never though about it that way...

So now as you say "Perhaps they should find some other part of their personality to be 'proud' about rather than what they do with their private parts!", then that now leaves me wondering, why do you think Catholic representatives are so interested in their "private parts"...

I don't claim to be very knowledgeable on "Gay" or "Religious" stuff but I can only say thank Gawd I'm an Atheist and my private parts went public long ago...


@Dandy

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Ummm - gay marriage - wouldn't this contribute to 'global warming'?

Global warming is a figroll of the imagination tis a load of old cobblers bandied about by self appointed experts whom have cottoned onto this myth and realised they could make a career out of it, instead of being stuck at the checkout till at Tescos for the rest of their lives...

Now Global Drowning is REAL, as the lake that has sprung up in my back garden this so called summer can testify too...

The auld bloke called Noah down the street from me is having the last laugh after we all poked fun at him and the big ruddy boat he was building, but he promised to save two of me squirrels, so it's all good in the end...

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How this is a reasonable point I fail to see.

All people change their langauge after who they talk to. It's all scientifically described in the field of socio linguistics. There is no doubt about it. When listening to say "hard hat construction workers" talking to each other, or trying to make a point on behalf of their "hard hat workers" community, they talk in one way. When talking to non-workers, or where it might be disadvantageous to be a worker, the trend is to tone down this "language". This is valid for all groups of people and not something unique for gay men. BigD does certainly use his language in order to fit in with his group of people.

So, the point is valid, but it's hardly reasonable to use it in order to "prove" that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

Further more, being proud of ones sexual orientation only becomes necessary when there are people like BigD trying to put shame to it. He himself seem to put rather big pride in his religous beliefs.

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@AndyC

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AndyC wrote: @Franko I just thought he sounded like he was from Livvy, no? AndyC (Fi the Ferry)

Livi used to be a nice wee place which was split half & half between Embra punters & Glesga punters...

Sure, we talked a wee bit different but we could generally get the jist of what each other was trying to say...

But now it's full of Sassenechs (mainly civil servants) who seem to have crept over the border since the Scottish Parliament came into being (figure that one out) and now ye canny wak doon ra street withoot some toffy nosed twat saying "Howd You Do Old Bean, fwa, fwa, fwa"...

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jaokim wrote: @AndyC How this is a reasonable point I fail to see. All people change their langauge after who they talk to. It's all scientifically described in the field of socio linguistics. There is no doubt about it. When listening to say "hard hat construction workers" talking to each other, or trying to make a point on behalf of their "hard hat workers" community, they talk in one way. When talking to non-workers, or where it might be disadvantageous to be a worker, the trend is to tone down this "language". This is valid for all groups of people and not something unique for gay men. BigD does certainly use his language in order to fit in with his group of people.

No they don't...

I've never understood why some people pretend to talk all polite when they meet someone whom in their mind is of a higher social standing than them (ie: they think the person is posh) and so put on a false accent/ way of speaking while doing so...

Not sure if it's down to not wanting to feel inadequate for some reason, or just trying to pretend that they are posh too...

But I assure you not everyone does so and I certainly don't...

Just yesterday I tried to order something from Apple over the phone, for the first 15 minutes I couldn't get past their automated voice recognition system, then when it finally gave up the ghost I was put through to someone with a Pakistani or Indian accent and neither of us had a scooby what the other was trying to say...

I ended up talking to a nice wee American woman whom again despite quite a few misunderstandings finally managed to process my order when she had stopped laughing...

So changing your way of speaking is pointless whether it's just done to fit in, or make yourself sound like something your not as even with my accent I managed to communicate effectively in the end... (don't do much good for your phone bills though)...

When speaking, be who you really are and don't pretend to be something your not just to "fit in" as at the end of the day it just makes you sound false...

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@jaokim

Perhaps I gave him too much credit, but then I did say I wasn't an expert!

I agree with everything you just said.

AndyC

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You actually prove my point, I'm just lousy at explaining what I mean.

Perhaps is "alter" a better word, or just plain "use". Most people use their language, either to emphasize who they are, or to de-emphasize it. By "change their language" I don't mean to feign being someone else or making a funny voice, but rather to adapt the language (accent, tone, etc) to suit the occasion, or to make a point. This is also not something done entirely conscious.

By your story, I take it you're rather proud of being Scottish? And that is exactly how my workers use their language in a context where they want to show their status/heritage. They don't alter their language, where the easy way out would have been to simplify and tone down the Scottish accent.

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even with my accent I managed to communicate effectively in the end

Effectively? You got what you wanted, but I wouldn't call it effectively.

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The truth behind the damaging implications of redefining marriage have finally become clear through a leaked Scottish Parliament email;

BBC - Scottish Redefining Marriage Proposal Delayed Due to Legal Minefield

It seems there have been further delays to the decision because they know that school teachers will be forced to teach this liberal same-sex marriage mantra or face demotion or expulsion from the profession. Churches will face litigation unless the UK Equality Laws are picked apart and exceptions inserted and even then 'non-cooperating churches' will face additional red tape and council bureaucracy. This isn't the simple 'equality' proposal that it's been painted as by the BBC and liberally biased media, this is the systematic devaluing of the nuclear family and the disproportionate promotion of a minority 'life choice' to the detriment of our children, churches and society at large!

In other news leading 'out and proud' practising homosexual George Michael thinks this is all a waste of time and resources too as homosexuals already have equality!

George Michael: Gay marriage will fail if Churches are Forced to Conduct Same-Sex Services

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"Civil registration partnerships are legally correct. They give people the same rights as people in marriage. But I don't believe in forcing it and I think it will fail if you force churches who don't believe in it to have gay marriage ceremonies."

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In other news EA is following the despicable lead of companies such as Ben & Jerry's and Starbucks by making it corporate policy to be pro-same-sex marriage and openly political on this contentious issue! Shame on you EA, stick to making games not attempting to redefine marriage. It'd a good thing Deluxe Paint is no longer in development because I don't think I'd be buying the next release from EA

IGN - EA becomes a Gay Rights Activist

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