Hi,

I'm new here so not exactly sure where to post this, hopefully this is the correct place.

I was a huge Amiga 500 fan back when and used B&P Pro in my recording studio all the time.

Fast forward to now, and I am using Amiga Forever 2012, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to install it.

I d/l the whole program ( it's freeware now ) and the main program came as bbpro25.lha which extracts to bbpro1.lha & bpro2.lha

From that when I extract it, it makes 2 folders, bbpro1 & bbpro2

I've tried running the install file under AF2012, AmiKit & AmigaSYS but it doesn't work.

I'm sure it's something simple but like I say, I can't figure it out, and I've spent hrs on it already.

Was much easier with a real Amiga

I still have a recording studio here in western Alberta, Canada, and would love to try using B&P again.

Hope someone can give me pointers,

Paul.

To add to your question (and bump this thread back up to the top so it does not scroll off the front page before you get at least one answer), does anyone know if Bars & Pipes Pro is AHI capable and system friendly, so it could be made to run on OS4.1, without using E-UAE?

I have always wanted to explore Bars & Pipes Pro and bought the printed manual and original binders to put the manual into a few years ago, but never got around to trying it out on my original Amiga computers. I was lucky to find a Bars & Pipes One Stop Music Shop Zorro card 2 years ago, but have not yet installed it, to test it in any of my big box Amigas, and see if the last version of Bars & Pipes Pro can use the One Stop Music Shop Zorro card?

I had always heard that Bars & Pipes Pro was the best Amiga music program, and there were tons of add-on's and features for it.

I had heard that it was so impressive, that is why MS bought out the software company that wrote Bars & Pipes Pro to steal the ideas and then shut down the company within less that a year after the purchase, which angered many Amiga users at the time.

I have an A4000 w/80MHz 060 & 128mb RAM, or an A2000 w/50MHz 060 & 128mb RAM, that I can install the OneStopMusicShop Zorro card into, and I have an A1200 w/A1260@50MHz & 256mb RAM that I could run Bars & Pipes Pro, without the OneStopMusicShop Zorro card.

Now that AudioEvolution4 is available free for OS4.x, AROS, & MorphOS, using Bars & Pipes Pro on anything other than an original 68k Amiga might be an exercise in futility? Still, since I have it and it was touted as such a great program "Back-In-The-Day", I would still like to try it out and see what it is like.

Any Bars & Pipes Pro experts out there who can answer LogMan's question on using B&P Pro from AmigaForever? I seem to remember some problems with the Paula emulation timing under any version of UAE, but maybe that has been fixed in recent versions of WinUAE, or E-UAE (which for those who non-member visitors to this site might not know, AmigaForever uses for its Amiga emulation).

Anyone knowing about B&P Pro being able to use the OneStopMusicShop Zorro card, I would appreciate that answer as well.

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@LogMan

It sounds like bbpro1 and bbpro2 are supposed to run off two separate disks.

you could try making assigns in your startup seuqence, or probably better do it temporarily from a CLI (somebody else will have to help with the syntax; I haven't used an Amiga for an awful long time!), or failing that create two blank adfs, format disk one with the label bbpro1 and the other bbpro2, copy the contents of the two archives onto the disk images, and then run the installer from disk 1.

@LogMan

Sounds like Pleng is on the right track.

Try his suggestions and let us know what happens.

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@amigadave

There is a beta OS4 Bars&Pipes.
www.alfred-j-faust.de should get you started,

I don't know about OneStopMusicShop, but the OS4 beta supports CAMD, so it can use any MIDI interfaces that have CAMD support.

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@amigadave

Yes, I think Pleng is on the right track too, I will have to do some reading to see how I might do that.

My biggest hurdle right now is I can't remember any of the commands, and have been looking for Docs to read up on.

When I tried clicking on the install file it comes back with "enter arguments for install" and I'm lost

I guess I will have to take a trip out to the out-building here at the Farm where the Amiga is stored, maybe I can find the original manual.

I was one of those who was really annoyed with what MS did, as I still think B&P was the best program.

The reason it was called Bars & Pipes was because the program is like a plumbing system, you just add certain icons in-line to achieve what you want, for instance there is a backward icon that you inserted inline and the music played backwards, it was so simple.

I just want to get it installed and see how it runs with a fast system.

I use Cubase as my main recording program but to be able to use B&P for the midi side would be awesome.

I have to go to the big city ( Edmonton ) today, which is a 3 hr trip because I'm so far from anywhere so I will work on this tomorrow.

Thanks for all the feedback, much appreciated

@LogMan

Online Manual ...

http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/docs.shtml

Plaz

@Plaz
wow Online Manual for B&P after all them years.............

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@LogMan

I really doubt your explanation of why Bars & Pipes Pro was named what it is named, but without any links to back up my argument, I won't dispute your amusing claim for the program's name origin.

I knew someone would find an online manual for you, or at least a link where you could download the manual from, so you could either read it, or print it out and make your own replacement manual if you put it into your own binders.

Like I wrote, I was lucky to be able to purchase one of the last printed manuals and get the original B&P Pro binders to put the printed pages into.

Thanks to the other member who provided a link to an OS4.x version of Bars & Pipes Pro. That won't help LogMan, because he wants to run it on AmigaForever, I assume on a x86 PC, but it is good to know that someone tried to port it to OS4.x on PPC.

I wonder how this attempt to port it to OS4.x compares to Audio Evolution 4 for OS4.x? Since I don't know much about either program, I don't even know if they are the same kind of music programs, or if they are completely different.

Being retired now, I bought a Guitar earlier this year to see if there are any hidden musical talents in these old fingers. I also own a Miracle Piano Teaching keyboard and software for the Amiga 68k and Atari 68k computer systems. (actually have two of them, but gave one to my Grandson for Christmas last Dec.)

I missed out on finding out just how fantastic the Amiga was in producing & manipulating sound and music "Back-In-The-Day", so now it will all be brand new to me and fun to learn.

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@amigadave

Good morning Dave

Glad I amuse you

I was serious about the explanation of how it got it's name as I remember Todar Fey From Blue Ribbon Bakery explaining it once.

I found a couple of articles doing a quick Google search.

http://amigarealm.whdownload.com/computing/knowledge/kb37bnp.htm

Quote:

1) The PipeLine The Pipeline guides your musical input from conception to performance. We call it the Pipeline because it actually resembles the kind of plumbing that exists beneath your dwelling. By arranging the pipe and valve icons, you can direct the flow of musical information on a track-by-track basis. You can even connect two or more tracks by using special connector icons. To each Pipeline, you assign a track name. Also, no limit exists to the number of tracks you may record.

Also is mentioned here: http://www.amigawiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Bars_and_Pipes

Thanks very much to Plaz & Lylehaze for the info

I will continue trying to install it this week and hopefully I will succeed.

I'm more interested to see if it will actually run on Amiga Forever, I didn't even realize you could still buy Amiga systems

I will report back here on my progress ( or lack of it ! )

Have a great day,

Paul.

@LogMan

Okay first thing, when you extracted the LhA files you did this under AmigaOS?

Second, you get no icons in the drawers you extacted?

Third. From later post, sounds like it is asking for an install location. What if you give it a directory?

Fourh. There is no readme included at all!?

@Hypex

1. No, I extracted under Vista64 using Winrar

2. Not under Windose, just folders.

3. Yes, I tried that, then it gave me another error message.

4. Yes, I managed to read the docs using Directory Opus, but it all seems to apply to using a "real" Amiga

Thanks for the suggestions Hypex, I will try extracting under the Amiga emulation, probaby best trying with AmigaSYS or AmiKit I .

Getting old sucks when you can't remember how you did things 20+ years ago

@LogMan

1. First rule of thumb. If it's running on Amiga, extract it on Amiga.

This is usually the first cause of problems with failed OS4 updates. The problem is we've become so comfortable with putting files on flash drives for instance that we don't realise they contain a PC file system which isn't fully Amiga compatible. IT comes down to Amiga protection bits.

2. There should at least be .info files in there, the Amiga icons. I've seen these come up on Windows before.

3. I see.

4. In what sense? It is an archive so in theory should be fine with a virtual Amiga. It doesn't need a floppy?

All I can say about 20 years ago is we used the real thing. It's what we knew and we knew how it worked together. If things were harder we were used to it and didn't know the difference! Now we do.