Maybe this topic has been discussed before, so forgive me if it has and just point me to the correct thread(s).

I want to write some documentation or guide(s) to help newbie OS4 users like myself to install and use the best settings to run as many of our favorite Amiga 680x0 software programs and games on OS4.1 and it's built in "Petunia" 680x0 to PPC translator, instead of E-UAE and full-on emulation of the 680x0 computers.

RunInUAE and E-UAE are great for most old Amiga software and specially games, that can't be run on OS4.1 in any other way, but obviously E-UAE uses more computer resources and slows things down more than OS4.1's Petunia does. Plus, in my point of view, it is much more elegant and simple (after the correct tips, tricks and settings are used), to run some of the Amiga 680x0 software directly on OS4.1 without the need for a huge emulator like E-UAE.

So, to achieve my goal, I am asking all of you for any help you can provide me, starting with a list of Amiga software that you are already using that runs on OS4.1. You can either add your list of software here in this thread, or email it to me at my amxxxdave@earthlink.net email address. (I think you can figure out what to replace the xxx's with in that email address)

Once I have a list of software titles that are known to run on OS4.1 computers, I can begin researching what it takes to get each of them installed and set up to run properly and prepare a guide for each program.

As I follow this research and install each program on my X1000, I will find out if the differences between other AmigaOne systems and my X1000, prevent any of the programs from working on the X1000, and try to document why they are not running on the X1000.

Lastly, I will try to work with other users and developers, plus more X1000 owners, to figure out what is needed to get these Amiga programs (that are already confirmed as working on other AmigaOne & SAM computers, but won't run on the X1000), working on an X1000 computer system. I will then document all the steps that are different on the X1000, or tell other users why a certain program won't work on the X1000, but will work on the SAM and/or other AmigaOne computers.

So, again, if you want to help, please send me a list of the Amiga 680x0 software application, utility, tool, or game that you have installed and working on your early AmigaOne, or SAM system. If you have an X1000 and have some Amiga 680x0 software, utility, tool, or game, that you have running without any problems, then please give me a list of what you are running.

If you want to help even more, include in your list of Amiga software that runs a brief description of what it takes to get each software to work on OS4.1. If nothing is needed to get a particular Amiga program, ulility, tool, or game to run on OS4.1, just put the words "runs without changes" next to that program, utility, tool, or game, that runs on OS4.1 without you needing to do anything special on your OS4.1 computer system.

P.S. If I can figure out how to run Grunch on my X1000 system, I will also write Grunch database entries for each of these programs, utilities, tools & games that are confirmed to run on OS4.1, so Grunch can install and set them up on any OS4.1 computer system.

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Great idea, Dave. Here are some of the old system-friendly 68K programs and utilities I run under AmigaOS 4.1 update 4 with my two Sam440 systems. Some things work perfectly and some almost so with a few glitches in some way or features that don't work. Time is short so I'll get specific with those later and just make the list now...

ModePro (some folks will scoff at using this, as OS4's Screens editor does mostly the same thing)
Directory Opus 4
Personal Paint
ImageFX
Art Department Professional and FRED
TVPaint
Imagine 5.19
LightWave 5.2a
VistaPro
Final Writer
Protext
Rend24 (still experimenting to see how useful this is still)
Interchange
OctaMed

Probably some more I'm not thinking of at the moment.

I think HD-Rec also is a 68K program and is actively developed and is one of our current gems.

Whether a program is 68K or PPC, I can't really tell the difference as long as it's written in a system-friendly way. It's only when this stuff bangs the Amiga custom chips that are no longer present that we have problems -- like the animation preview not working in LightWave Layout, for example.

I was never into games even in the old days. It was always about these kinds of programs for me. I absolutely love, love, love when these can be run via Petunia integrated with the modern OS and not in some emulation mode that brings up a whole different and vintage OS. It'd be the most awesome thing ever if somehow through FPGA or software the AGA or even the ECS chips could be integrated into the modern experience.

But even if that never happens a lot of this stuff just works or can be made to work.

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Yes...and the whole thread is full of 68k software that works with OS4.1 (i.e. my own list HERE and following...).

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Well, I have working in my 440 Flex the next :

Wordworth 7
Final Writer 97
Amiga Writer 2.0
Turbo Calc 5
Photogenics 4
Art Effect 3
Perfect Paint 2.9
Draw Studio 2.0
PPaint 7.1 (Some problems with the screen mode, but works)
Diabolo Backup Pro ( But not use all HD size)
AmigaAmp 2
Song Player 1.62
PlayCDDA 1.6
Proplayer
Compact Player 1.38
Annotate
MakeCD 3.2 (Great for burn CD)
SuperBase 4
RO 1.27 ( A filer and drawer program, like Dopus)
DiskMaster 2 ( I think there's a OS4 version somewhere )
IBrowse 2.4
MiserPrint 1.14 (Fantastic for HP printers)
Turbo Print 7


Iit's all for now.

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IntuionBase might be the ideal engine for this data, depending on what Dave has in mind. But it has become outdated and incomplete. Who is maintaining it, and can we submit reports to it? I should probably go check it out more myself before asking these questions and will take a look now. I don't see entries for LightWave or Imagine or ADPro under classic 68K software on there, and the VistaPro entry seems perhaps to refer to behavior of that program with an earlier version of OS4. At least VistaPro doesn't behave that way on my Sams.

And don't think I am complaining about a website becoming stale. I know from my own web projects over the years it's too easy for that to happen. My own little set of AOS4 pages need a freshening up that will come soon.

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I'm interested in:
-Application that works on AOS4
-The tricks that are needed to make it work
-Possible ready make initialization files/scripts (for crunch or whdload)
-And if SW absolutely requires some emulation, tricks for it as well.

The site could have:
-Native apps, 68k apps, apps for UAE, apps for other emulators
-Information for all Amiga flavors under the same roof.
(many users would love to use same SW everywhere, someone might have AOS4 machine for hobby, MOS machine in living room for AMC, AROS machine at work, etc...)

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Some additional software, some of which I have used in the past and not anymore:

AmTelnet
DCTelnet
Term
AmiTraceCenter
SimpleFTP
RC-FTPd
AmRSS
PC-Task
DPaint V
ClassAction
StarAm Plan
WBSteroids

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Check my list here: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22093&forum=32&31

Back in 2007, I went through almost every application on Aminet and tried running it using Petunia under OS4 - final. Whew, that took a lot of time! Lots of games worked too, but not anything using AMOS - which was a big percentage.
Changes to OS4.1 update 4 since OS4 Final may cause some of these programs that were once "full" not to work any more, but probably not too many.
Sorry, the links to Aminet for these programs are now outdated.

Oh, there are also LOTS of commercial programs that work under Petunia as well. I used to buy used Amiga 1200s (back in the 1990s) and set them up to work as inexpensive internet web browser boxes - with games, tools, productivity software etc for people who worked with me at Rockwell. Why? Back in the 1990s, anyone who saw an Amiga 1200 who had only seen PCs was simply amazed at what it could do with a 40 meg hard drive - especially how easy it was to connect to the internet using Miami - which I bought many keyfiles for as people bought my refurbished A1200s. Back in the 1990s, setting up a PC to get on the internet was not exactly easy. Miami just asked for the phone number, user name, and password and figured everything else out!
So as I bought up these many used A1200s, people typically sold me their whole Amiga software collections as well - original commercial software in original boxes. I kept a lot of it for many years - sold most of it a couple years ago on ebay. But - I was able to test a lot of commercial stuff on my Micro A1 using Petunia.
Somewhere I'll have to provide a better list.

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@everyone,

Thanks for all the replies. I figured that someone, or several people must have done something like this before, but what seems to be missing is the documentation part of the process, as I have not seen any guides included with lists of programs that work on OS4.1. I do not know how many users have taken the time to create an installer script for these programs, to load them on OS4.1 computer systems.

That is understandable, as the guides and/or installation scripts would take extra time to create and most users only want to get a program set up correctly and running, and many Amiga 680x0 programs don't really need much of an installation script, as all they need is to have all the files located in the same drawer that the program itself is located in.

They don't want to take the extra time to write out how they got it working and all the little details, or create an installation script that takes care of all possible steps in all the different OS4.1 compatible computers. Sometimes getting the program set up correctly and including all files and/or libraries needed for the program to run, just like Grunch does, can sometimes be difficult, or other times can be easy.

I hope that Grunch will run on OS4.1 just like it works on MorphOS2.7 soon, as I would prefer to use Grunch to install these programs, instead of writing regular installation scripts. I have to learn both methods, but plan to learn Grunch database entry creation, no matter if it works, or does not work on OS4.1 now or in the near future. I am learning how to make Grunch database entries for MorphOS2.7 and for AmigaOS3.x platforms, so I want it to run the same on OS4.1 as well.

My first Amiga 680x0 software program that I have attempted to install on OS4.1.5 on my X1000 is LightWave3D v5.2a. I have had some success in setting up ModePro to create the proper screen resolution to match the full 1680x1050 screen size for my 20" widescreen LCD monitor and both Modeler and Layout look and run well (except for the Arexx macros in Modeler). I have not been able to set up Rendering of anything yet, so I am wondering if this has something to do with the different video card and driver than the SAM 440ep that Mike Brantley has, as his system Renders LightWave3D scene frames without any problems.

If anyone with an X1000 has been able to Render LightWave3D scene frames, or any other kinds of Renders to their display and save rendered files in 24bit RGB, please let me know what you have done to get it working.

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One tip. However you like to go about it, running from Shell, creating an icon and/or dropping it onto the Dock for later use; use the OS4 Installer for installing 68K software where possible. This will avoid any errors such as the old Installer reporting not enough disk space and is more stable.

For OS3.5+ software the 68K Installer will be needed because OS4 is using a backdated OS3.1 installer that doesn't know about the new tags. Might fiel a bigzilla about that one.

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That is understandable, as the guides and/or installation scripts would take extra time to create and most users only want to get a program set up correctly and running, and many Amiga 680x0 programs don't really need much of an installation script, as all they need is to have all the files located in the same drawer that the program itself is located in.

What I do not understand in this regards is the fact that installing something to my OS4.1/MorphOS2.7 systems isn't in any way different to installing something to my OS3.9 systems. This translates to: A lot of things can be installed in the usual way (provided installer scripts, copy-anywhere-stuff etc.) and some stuff is a hassle to install. But that's not different to my Amiga 2000 RTG/accelerator setups - I can't count how often standard installs on them failed, 'cos the installer/scripts/default settings didn't like my processors, graphics cards, OS release etc. (F. ex. you have to fiddle around to get Imagine 4.0 running on a graphics card - exactly the same with OS3.9 and OS4.1.)
Sometimes it's even nicer to run with OS4.1 (or MorphOS), 'cos you can "finetune" your 68k processor...try that with your real Amiga!

All in all I didn't experienced much difference between "classic" and "NG" Amigas...

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hotrod wrote: @amigadave Some additional software, some of which I have used in the past and not anymore: AmTelnet DCTelnet Term AmiTraceCenter SimpleFTP RC-FTPd AmRSS PC-Task DPaint V ClassAction StarAm Plan WBSteroids

Does DPaintV work fully under OS4.1? I thought all of the DPaint versions hit the Custom Chipset directly and therefore required E-UAE to run on any OS4.1 system? I am also interested in running PC-Task on my X1000, so I can run a few DOS programs & games. Is anyone running DOS-Box on their OS4.1 system? On an X1000? I would like to compare DOS-Box performance stability and program compatibility against the same attributes in PC-Task.

Thanks for your list hotrod.

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Thanks for the tips.

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I think DPaint needs this.
Blitter emulator for OS4 machines without chipset

http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=emulation/misc/blitzen.lha

Also check out CIA agent, It’s mostly for diagnostic, analyzer tool for CIAA and B Hardware timers:

http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=emulation/misc/ciagent.lha

Also check out IRA its a good disassembler:

http://aminet.net/package/dev/asm/ira

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How do you "fine tune your 68k processor" on OS4.1 if you are NOT running E-UAE and are only using OS4.1's built-in Petunia 680x0 to PPC code translator?

As for the rest of your post about the some of the installations being the same on OS4.1 as they are on OS3.x, that may be true for some software, but without any documentation, how are we supposed to know which software installs normally and which requires extra steps, or a completely different installer script?

The main goal of what I am trying to do, is to simplify all of this for new OS4.x users like myself and to create documentation for each program as I work my way through the process of getting it installed and setup, if additional setup is required. I will also document what works and what doesn't work, for programs that only partially work and have some features that do not work on OS4.1, like they work on OS3.x.

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You should be extremely careful when installing 68k software; the installers might easily replace system libraries or MUI classes, at least take a backup before you do, it might be smart to run some dir compare tool after you have installed something just in case.

Also MUI classes that are installed into LIBS: might give big problems, MUI classes should be found in SYS:MUI no where else.

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"nstallers might easily replace system libraries or MUI classes, at least take a backup before you do, it might be smart to run some dir compare tool after you have installed something just in case."

We should have tool for easy checking + restore.

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I've tried that blitzen blitter emulator with the various version of DPaint IV and V that I have here on my Sam440 machines and it didn't help my problems. I've not found DPaint to be useable. I can run it and it looks ok, but very shortly after starting to use it things will go bad and next thing you know the screen is corrupted and the computer is locked up. I'd love to hear that it can actually made to work, but I suspect a lot of reports come from folks who run the program, see that it looks OK and then check it on the list. But do they actually try to make pictures and animations? In my case I don't get very far at all.

Regarding the AREXX scripts in LightWave Modeler: Dave is getting the same crash that I am, but our installations are from the same source, so it may be some configuration problem. Weird thing is that at times -- and for weeks at a time -- these things will work flawlessly. Then, for weeks at a time, they do not work at all. These are the AREXX scripts deployed from the Custom button to do such things as center an object or enter text.

It has driven me batty trying to figure it out! When it works, it's a beautiful thing. I can't figure out what on my system CHANGES to result in them working or not.

The rendering crash in LW Layout with the X1000 is also perplexing because in one of his recent videos clusteruk independently mentions a problem with this on his X1000. But I bet we get it figured out eventually. I hope so anyway!

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