Hello guys

As you [probably] know, I had an long lasting agony with Amiga Sam 460 ex you [community] bought for me to improve OS4.1+ skins and graphics. Just few more days and it will be 6 months of which 2 months I worked days and night to make it work.

At the very end - system is NEARLY ready for use, and thanks to incredible help of Bexjander [who sent me SATA card from New Zealand] finally I was able to connect DVDRom and HDs [both at once] ;) and magic command - bOOTa started system.

System installation [as you know] is made for aliens, not for ordinary people [even I consider myself not much ordinary - it was very hard and unfriendly installation].

Ok to skip hard and painful part [which I will explain once in a longer message to all you in AmigaWorld], here is 2 last steps:

- normal, working graphics card [as default one is more crap than AGA was] and
- Internet connection

GFX card first:

- Can you please confirm that this graphics card is fully working and is currently BEST on the market:

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4650 1GB DDR2 PCI-E TVO DVI-I 11140-01-20R

I was told that this card is MISSING 3D drivers [!?] but it will be the first on a list that will get 3D drivers then [if] they are released one day. Now please check those 2 links:

http://www.shopmania.rs/graficke-karte/p-sapphire-11140-37-20r-462434

http://www.getel.rs/ProductDetails.aspx?arg=8776

1st link - gfx card is 40 eur, 2nd link - gfx card is 65 eur. Whats the difference? Also - none of those [outdated] cards are possible to find in any shop here, stock or whatever, only ONLINE buy [which smells to some cheating to me]... Why there is no phone or address on those online shops - kill me but does not look safe to me, even it is not expensive - 65 eur [+300eur I already paid for towering SAM] - overall it is... Present of SAM460ex for me should cost me at the end, with gfx card [if it is 65 eur] ~420 eur... which is not that small :) :( :S

What I was fighting about past 30 days is to - FIND any working 2D and 3D graphics card that will make my Sam finally work at the end. I left Amiga to my friend [that works with PC equipment, selling all the stuff for customers] and HE told me that ANY of the gfx card are EXTREMLY OLD and OUTDATED, even this one that is "latest" and is "waiting for 3D drivers".

Is there ANY newer gfx card on the market [for example, ATI Radeon 6540 or something] that is TINY, can fit next to installed SATA card in SAM and can produce 2D and 3D?

Please help. I am going to my friend to pick up Amiga finally in Sunday, I was extremly busy working gfx for tons of customers, still working, and will have only Sunday free for picking Amiga back to me.

And then last thing that will need to be done: create an internet connection... Damn, it was so unfriendly and when I tried to make a connection [with Wizard] - it freezes OS4 and the only way out is - rebooting... Even this sometimes does not work so I have to hit reset button on tower case...

Any help with gfx card [step 1] will produce enormous help :) and then step 2 for making iNet connection...

p.s. don't forget that any gfx card with great cooler won't go inside the tower case, because there is just 2 cm max of free space next to SATA card.

All best
Nick

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@djnick

https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/graphic-cards/13-ati-radeonhd-4650-lp.html

This one should work without any trouble

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@djnick

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_86&products_id=1023

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4650 is the same one I have, if you look at 'Graphics cards' in the 'Configuration options' its AmigaKit's recommended graphic card for the SAM 460Ex.

I am almost certain its same graphics card shipped in the X1000 as R700 is displayed on my Workbench titlebar during boot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000

Head to ( http://hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/radeonhd-driver/radeonhd-card-recommendations-for-amigaos-4-x/ ) where he recommends the ULTIMATE edition of that card - takes up one slot.

As for internet connection, I think almost any ethernet card will do - perhaps someone with a better understanding can clarify that more clearly.
As for the Internet Wizard... I completely ignored it. Just plug in your ethernet cable and away you go - the computer will get allocated an IP number by DHCP during boot.

Last edited by djrikki on 25-May-2012 at 12:47 AM.
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@K-L

Are you sure it will FIT as I have just 2 cm maximum of free space as next to the slot is SATA card? I have only "one finger" space, and this card seems to have heavy cooler on it?

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@djnick

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- Can you please confirm that this graphics card is fully working and is currently BEST on the market: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4650 1GB DDR2 PCI-E TVO DVI-I 11140-01-20R I was told that this card is MISSING 3D drivers [!?] but it will be the first on a list that will get 3D drivers then [if] they are released one day. Now please check those 2 links:

4650 is probably the ideal card for the Sam460. It offers good mid range performance and is likely noticeably faster than the 6540.


There is currently no 3D drivers for PCI-E video cards on OS4 but the card should be supported Galium is done.

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http://www.shopmania.rs/graficke-karte/p-sapphire-11140-37-20r-462434 http://www.getel.rs/ProductDetails.aspx?arg=8776 1st link - gfx card is 40 eur, 2nd link - gfx card is 65 eur. Whats the difference? Also - none of those [outdated] cards are possible to find in any shop here, stock or whatever, only ONLINE buy [which smells to some cheating to me]... Why there is no phone or address on those online shops - kill me but does not look safe to me, even it is not expensive - 65 eur [+300eur I already paid for towering SAM] - overall it is... Present of SAM460ex for me should cost me at the end, with gfx card [if it is 65 eur] ~420 eur... which is not that small :) :( :S

The first card has a 64=bit memory controller 512MB of RAM and a core clock of 600Mhz. The second card has a 128-bit memory controller 1GB of RAM and a core clock of 650Mhz. It's best to avoid a card with a 64-bit memory controller so I'd recommend getting a card with similar specification to the second one. The prices are fairly typical for those cards.

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Is there ANY newer gfx card on the market [for example, ATI Radeon 6540 or something] that is TINY, can fit next to installed SATA card in SAM and can produce 2D and 3D?

Currently there's not even 2D drivers for 5000, 6000 or 7000 series cards so you could be waiting some time if you get something newer than a 4000 series card.

As mentioned above the 4650 should be than the 6540. The 6540 is 2 generations newer but 1 performance tier down from the 4650.

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p.s. don't forget that any gfx card with great cooler won't go inside the tower case, because there is just 2 cm max of free space next to SATA card.

Most 4650 cards are single slot. Just make sure the you don't get a card with a chunky cooler or dual slot bracket. The second card you linked should either have the same cooler as the other card or different design with a plastic shroud to direct air over the cooling fins. Both designs will fit next to the SATA card fine.

The card stocked by Acube is fine tool since the VGA is on a separate bracket and due the the length of the card it is most likely that the SATA card won't cover the fan opening which should allow better air flow than other cards with a more centralized cooler.

@Rob

Thank you very much for your help...

Well unfortunately I can't find this card anywhere - I tried my country - old and outdated gfx card - not producing anymore and out of stock. So as the last try will be ACube:

https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/graphic-cards/13-ati-radeonhd-4650-lp.html

Please take a look.

Will this card FIT into SAM next to SATA card?

Also - I managed to get SAM ONLINE [!] Finally! I just plug it into the internet and I have signal that works great! Only system freezes after a while, but will see what causes that.

Let me know about gfx card so I can order one...

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@djnick

I'm pretty sure that the cooler is single slot but you could always ask Acube to confirm if it will fit with a PCI SATA card installed.

@djnick

Buying low profile card from Acube is expensive, but is 100% solution.

Otherwize, you can take a risk of 2nd card that is cheap n as good ... if it fits ... damn!

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@Rob

"fit with a PCI SATA card installed."

I wonder if anyone as studied making drivers for SATA splitter chips.
That way one could put the multiport sata "card" anywhere inside the case.

example

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@djnick

I have a RadeonHD 4650 installed and it's very fast etc, just waiting for 3D drivers and I will be a very happy bunny indeed

Edit:

I have the one in this link RadeonHD4650

I have this card fitted as well as a 4 x SATA card in PCI slot as configured by AmigaKit

Last edited by sicky on 31-May-2012 at 08:23 AM.
Last edited by sicky on 31-May-2012 at 08:18 AM.

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SAM 460 with 2GB or RAM, 1000GB HD, 4 port SATA, DVDRW drive and Radeon HD 4650 GFX card.

@sicky

Thank you all for your help!!!

Looks my loOong journey finally comes to an end :)

Just ordered https://secure.kupindo.com/KupljenPredmet/9414060

It is 45 euros + shipping, and I epxect to see it in a day or two :))

Will let you know when I install it and how well it works and finally I can start working on OS4 skins and other stuff :)

All best

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