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I see my posting has ruffled your feathers... it is a good day.

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@ssolie

because i usually dont even care to past anymore on subject like that? too much honor, no feathers left on the duck.

@ssolie

Nice job on the interview. A good concise and accurate description of where things are going.

Just keep those OS4.x updates flowing and the hardware partners bringing out new platforms.

Cheers!

@amigang

Nice - well done interview and good responses. I like this SSolie guy!

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@eliyahu Quote:

i am so sick of this OS4 v MOS bollocks that pervades everything in this community. an article on AmigaOS gets comments that are nasty and untrue; that provokes a response and away we go. i used to think the community was a positive when i adopted the amiga two years ago. no longer. i really wish everyone would just leave the other 'side' alone, but no, we have to have MOS guys trashing OS4 at every opportunity. and we have to have OS4 guys poking fun at the fact that MOS runs on power macintosh hardware. why do i even bother reading stuff about the amiga any more? i'm seriously thinking of leaving, like the countless others who did before me.

IMHO the best thing to do is to avoid those Amiga sites which have things you dislike, and stick to other Amiga web sites instead. If enough people feel the way you do, then those other sites will become more active. But that does require that you stick with your convictions...

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@realize Quote:

One thing sad whenever I see OS4 s... have alot of hardware (that mostly sux) and little software.

That is untrue IMHO, and I wonder why you keep repeating the same line all the time. Hopefully you can explain your reasoning, as I have yet to hear any explanation.

AmigaOS4 has lots of software. Not all of it is bang up-to-date, but so what? I mean there is tons of software for playing music, browsing web, word processing, picture editing, sound editing, music editing, spreadsheets, email, programming, etc, etc.

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@ChrisH

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AmigaOS4 has lots of software

Comon Chris really? If you take out classic 15 year old 68k apps what do we have? I'm even considering ports as new software. If all this driver and foreign board porting didnt happen we would have a lot more useful MODERN software, ports and native.

@realize

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If all this driver and foreign board porting didnt happen we would have a lot more useful MODERN software, ports and native.

...and no hardware to run such great and useful software.

Sure, the times of Amiga OS glory are gone. However it still looks a little bit alive in comparison to other alternative OSs (MiNT, BeOS, Risc OS, Syllable etc.). I think Amiga and Amiga OS aren´t dead, of course not fully alive... maybe undead.

@pavlor

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Amiga OS aren´t dead, of course not fully alive... maybe undead.

Damn! - i knew we should have bought the rights to BeOS and implemented the best stuff into AOS and therefore created the new and fast ZOOMBEEOS

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@realize

This:

Audio (287)
Datatype (46)
Demo (162)
Development (448)
Document (20)
Driver (74)
Emulation (115)
Game (706)
Graphics (369)
Library (42)
Network (149)
Office (40)
Utility (567)
Video (45)

Total files: 3070

Its maybe not a lot:

Mostly its simple SDL games, utilities of different categories.
the major things we have is modern web browsers, audio and video players and trackers, we also have a few office applications, spreadsheet. SQLLite, Apache web server.

Right now I say the best use of AmigaOS4 computers is for audio work, MIDI stuff is well supported.
It also nice to play music and video, and showing images that sort of thing.
It does also support a number of interesting program languages: to name a few Ruby, Python, C, C++, LUA, some basic and pascal variants.

One thing that's interesting is QT a QUI systems that will open doors to some really interesting applications once it optimized and works perfect on AmigaOS4.

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one really funny thing(among others) in that interview (wow, i even cared to read) is that the person that admitedly handles os4 licences has to make personal guess about the number of its users...

..especially that the said number exceeds any sane expectations.

@wawa

This is just social engineering. If something is repeated a few times in the internet and then cited here and there, it becomes a "fact". Guess what, one of Polish websites titled a newsitem for this interview "There are five thousands of us!". Don't be surprised if it will end up on Wikipedia, of course with a citation linking to the interview. Ssolie is very effective as an AmigaOS 4 spin doctor (and proud of it, see "ruffling our feathers"), but a reality check will come sooner or later.

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@amigang

Thanks for posting the link. Definately nice to see something positive about the Amiga in mainstream media again.

It's just a shame that when you get to the comments section there is so much venom and negativity in general. If I was an outsider new to the Amiga, seeing some of those comments, I am not sure I would want to look at any of the Amiga OS's available. They just hurt the entire community and don't advance anyones personal preference.

@g_kraszewski

"Although Hyperion has been using serial numbers for copies of AmigaOS since 4.0, it won't reveal sales numbers. Solie's "personal guess" is that the system has 2000-5000 users. "

To me it seems perfectly reasonable that 5000 licenses have been sold since AOS4.0. And most likely it's hard to figure out where those licenses are. A lot of users have 2...3+ licences for AOS4.

Too bad if web sites / magazines can not citate properly. Hardly SSolies fault.

(There might be 3000 AOS4 users, IMHO. Most of them have several AOS3, MOS etc. machines as well.)

And when estimating additional 5000 UAE users... that must be big understatement, IMHO, again.

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@KimmoK

there were already threads with estimates of active users (I think also here on amigaworld)

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To me it seems perfectly reasonable that 5000 licenses have been sold since AOS4.0. And most likely it's hard to figure out where those licenses are. A lot of users have 2...3+ licences for AOS4.

exactly like expected you mix up licences and users. just to give you a simple example: if there are 3000 licences sold and a user has usually 3 systems and therefore 3 licences (for each of them) then there is 3000/3 = 1000 users in total. which i would estimate a little more realistic, as there are (easy to check) 400 +some users registered on os4 support forum, and the rest might be considered "quiet", even though i doubt such "quiet" users would buy 3 licences each. most likely they bought a copy and abandoned it soon thereafter, like me.

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Too bad if web sites / magazines can not citate properly. Hardly SSolies fault.

again its not unexpected. you can literally smell how the fans will twist and turn the words to - what they consider - their advantage.

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(There might be 3000 AOS4 users, IMHO. Most of them have several AOS3, MOS etc. machines as well.)

may i quote you on that fact? ;)

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And when estimating additional 5000 UAE users... that must be big understatement, IMHO, again.

and here outta the sudden i have to agree! why was the number of uae users underestimated like that??!!

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@wawa

Ok. There might be those 5000 registrations (a hint by ssolie) since 4.0, but only 2000 or much less are active separate users today. No one really knows.
(already 2000 is huge number when you compare with active posters on web... only 100 users post anything anywhere?)

(btw I did not provide facts )

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Ok. There might be those 5000 registrations (a hint by ssolie)

no, he said there were 2000-5000 *users*, not registrations. this was not a hint, but a claim. i keep him by his word.

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but only 2000 or much less are active separate users today. No one really knows.

no, none knows. but if even a person that handles the licences himself has to "guess" then i may guess too and i can backup that guess in contrary to him:
434 users registered at hyperion support forum currently.
if you look at files on os4 depot hardly one of them ever exceeds 1000 downloads, especially watch for the dls of a current version...

wait! there is one close to 1500 mark. it is muiowb. so this actually might be a hint about the number of active users or systems in use for that matter. if only i have not accidentally triggered the download myself, looking for it..

well, as there is practically no native software for os4 except abailable online, i think download numbers are quite good a hint about the maximal number of active users at all times. sorry for that.

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@wawa

Well, even if a user buy 3 licences, that user could be a father for example, and it's childrens or wife could also use one of these computers so in the end your numbers might be wrong too.
Why not just open a sticky thread so people could declare themselves.

Kamel

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