Although AmigaOS still doesn't officially endorse or recommend a proper place to store third party applications, libraries, devices and other system resources not part of the operating system itself, some users still enforce their own maintenence policies to keep their Amiga computers clean and snappy while others see little - if any - reason to keep add-on software away from the operating system directories usually found on the SYS: parition.

In this AmigaWorld.net User Poll, you are kindly asked to describe how you relate to third party software and its place on your harddisk.

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@Petah

Huh???

There's AmigaOS software, and there's third party software, why do you need to mix them.

I have separate partitions for third party software, and Sys for OS software.
There's no poll option for that.

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@Petah

Amiga OS has used a SYS: (system files) and Work: (third party programs) structure for years by default, usually on separate partitions. In addition to this I also use a Data partition for just that.

Someone should write howto for me and other dummies of how to keep the system clean. (how AOS4 finds files, paths, etc..)

So far I have added some libraries to libs and some commands to c folder, because I have not had time to learn better ways.
So, I'm building a mess...

btw. is it safe to use legacy installer scripts to install 68k SW to AOS4?
Should I just simulate it & get log file and go through the process manually or what?

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I think Petah is asking about 3rd party files that need to be on the sys: partition, c, devs, etc.

I don't mix if I can help it. I have a 'Sys' directory on my work partition with C, Classes, Devs, Fonts, L, Libs, & S sub-directories. I 'add' assign each one in user-startup. I have found a few apps that ignore the assign & only look for its files on the boot partition, but 99% of the time, my 3rd party assign works.

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@Petah

If the library/device/file is used in many 3rd party tools to SYS:libs/devs/whereever
if it's only used by a unique tool/app., first trying to copy to the tool/app drawer works, or maybe creating a devs/libs/whatever drawer in tool/app drawer.

@Petah

Voted the second option of course! It can not be emphasized enough to keep your boot partition(s) clean as a whistle.

Having said that, I am of an opinion that the OS distibution itself contains some 3rd parties stuff, a candidate for the title is without doubt 'MUI', which is maintained apart and separately from OS4. I therefore have moved it over to the place where all 3rd-parties stuff resides. And I'm pondering the idea of moving the contents of 'SYS:Fonts' over as well.

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@KimmoK

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Someone should write howto for me and other dummies of how to keep the system clean. (how AOS4 finds files, paths, etc..)

Maybe THIS may be of any help to you?

Any questions? Just ask...
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btw. is it safe to use legacy installer scripts to install 68k SW to AOS4?

Bad idea, install legancy apps by hand, those old auto install scripst can replace new system files with old 68K files, libs for example.

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I think Petah is asking about 3rd party files that need to be on the sys: partition, c, devs, etc.

Yes you could be right. I forgot to add I also put third party commands, libs in separate folders names userc and userlib on my data partition which are added to the path structure.

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@Petah

Can't say I can recall in 26 years of using the Amiga where Commodore (or anyone for that matter) ever said they don't endorse putting third party applications/ libraries etc... on the SYS: partition...

I mean where else would the typical user put extra libraries/ dosdrivers etc.. other than the appropriate drawers that are on the SYS: partition... (Libs:, Devs: L: etc...)

Having said that I have my own method of keeping things tidy on the Amiga...

All programs/ utilities go into separate drawers on my SYS: partition which has for example drawers called DTP Utils, Art & Gfx Utils, Sound & Audio Utils etc... that then have further drawers for different categories like Audio Playback Utils, MP3 Utils, Image Processing Utils etc...

For all System drawers like C: Devs: Libs: L: etc... I have inside those the equivalent named drawers with "+" added to them (+C, +L etc...) where I place all "third party" stuff just to keep things tidy... for example

C:+C/ (where I put all third party stuff that would normally end up installed in the C: drawer itself)
&
Libs:+Libs/ (same as above) and so on...

I just find this a much "cleaner", quicker & easier way to work on the Amiga and keep things like data (MP3, Photos, Games etc... on separate partitions)...

PS: Your poll is very limited in it's options so no votes here I'm afraid...

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Swoop wrote: @Petah Huh??? There's AmigaOS software, and there's third party software, why do you need to mix them. I have separate partitions for third party software, and Sys for OS software. There's no poll option for that.

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@klx300r

How are the new HDD supplied in X1000s partitioned up? Is SYS: and Work: or is it all one big partition?

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@Petah

Software on a separate Programs: partition

Added Cli utilities,Libraries, fonts etc in their expected SYS: locations .

I keep a list of all the OS 4.1 files from a clean update plus a separate Clean Install partition .
I use the list with a custom script to set the archive bit of the OS 4.1 files then do a copy using the archive flag to back up the stuff that I have added to my SYS: partition and my prefs files .

From this I can tell that my clean install of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 4 for Sam440ep has
8,098 files.

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@Petah

My Amiga has 5 Hard Drives, 1 is SYS: and system only files stay there,
another one is Backup: which is a copy of SYS: and the other drives,
the other drives are Net: for internet stuff and Stuff: for applications +
Stuff2: for anims and other data.


wol.

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@Petah

As a MorphOS user of course with the mirrored structure of sys: in mossys: (sys:morphos/) that was introduced with the 2.0 release. That is very handy for system updates and pretty clean. It was a pretty good idea to hide away the system files to mossys:.

At my setups 3rd party soft resides in sys: if they are tools and extensions but apps on another volume. sys:morphos/ is not touched my me and stays absolutely clean. It's stable and on all of my machines the installation survived all updates (that's up to 9 updates since 2.0) without any hassle.

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@Petah

I install system files on SYS: but keep every thing else that does not need to be there in work:

Fonts, libs, devs, configurations are stored on sys:
programs and tool are installed in work:
SDK is stored a development volume.

After a upgrade I like to know that my system is clean, I take the opportunity to clean up, by only coping whats I need.

I start by making a backup of my system, then I install the update, then I copy only what is missing or needed from my backup.

Normally I use Dopus and Difftools

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ddni wrote: @klx300r How are the new HDD supplied in X1000s partitioned up? Is SYS: and Work: or is it all one big partition?

No idea as beta testers set up their own systems.
Best to ask Amigakit as they set up all end user systems .

Btw, I've always set up my miggies with Sys, Sys2, DH1, DH2 etc. as I always like to keep a clean boot partition just in case. Also never liked to keep very large partitions and prefer to have numerous smaller ones.

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@thread

I think a new structure like this

Base: // Default OS4 Factory structure : write protected area, hidden partition
// Create Bootable media and restore / repair tools.

All official AmigaOS 4.x PPC apps
SYS:

3rd party OS4 apps
PPC:Apps
PPC:Prefs
PPC:Fonts
PPC:Libs
PPC:S
PPC:Storage
PPC:Storage/Video
PPC:Storage/Images
PPC:Storage/Music
PPC:Games
PPC:Downloads
PPC:Development

All official AmigaOS 3.x apps
68k:SYS

3rd party OS3.x apps
68k:Apps
68k:Prefs
68k:Fonts
68k:Libs
68k:S
68k:Storage
68k:Storage/Video
68k:Storage/Images
68k:Storage/Music
68k:Games
68k:Downloads
68k:Development

@thread

Interesting... Looks like I might be in the minority so. Basically, I'll install software generally on the Work: partition, but if things want libraries installed in LIBS:, device drivers in DEVS:, fonts in FONTS: or handlers in L:, I let them and don't really have a problem with it. Reasons being:

-I don't install heaps of stuff, so there aren't all that many extra libs etc.
-I'm the only person using this machine so I know everything that gets installed.
-I'm quite familiar with the system files and know what they all do.
-I check everything before installing it to see what it might do.

It hasn't let me down in my many years, although I'm not denying that it would be easy to cause problems like that if I didn't pay so much attention to these things. The MOS way of separating them is definitely a good idea, especially for anyone who might be less fussy about it than I am. It would also be quite trivial to set up OS4 in a similar way with a few assigns in the startup-sequence.

For me, having them all mixed for OS upgrades hasn't caused any issues either. Given that most of the OS4 updates have been incremental, it's meant that nothing has stopped working because of missing files etc., and for the couple of updates which needed a fresh installation, it was very quick and painless to copy the extra files from a backup.

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