I know this is a long stretch, but is there anybody out there with an extra copy of Hollywood & Designer willing to sell?

If this is an impossible endeavour, could someone tell me what is the PageStream version good for OS4.1? and from where to buy it?

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@WeiXing3D

I think PageSream is type of program you need if you like to make magazine or newspaper.

so Its little bit different from a normal office package.

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That's exactly what I'm looking for a DTP (Desktop publishing) software.

It's a strange that there are not too many multimedia software applications (animation, 3D design, music, visual applications, etc.) for the Amiga NG when it was the multimedia capabilities what made the Amiga famous, not just the games.

So what is the PageStream version that I need for OS4.1?

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@WeiXing3D

Look at amigaos.net's page on PageStream.

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@WeiXing3D

Ohh, why not bought some more Hollywood last month? I could be rich by selling it now with extra profit :)

According to PageStream:
You can use version 4.1.5.6. (the latest stable Amiga 68k) on OS4.x.
However if you buy the V5.0 for OS4, you can download free the V4.1.5.6 68k version because there still no working 5.0 for PPC.

I am using it daily on my uA1, so feel free to ask if you have problem. PageStream is one of my dream software. Buy it, to spur the seems to be frozen development.

www.pagestream.org

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@WeiXing3D

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When it was the multimedia capabilities what made the Amiga famous,

Multimedia back in 1980’s meant something different, multimedia was things like animations and music tracks.

The A2000/A3000/A4000 big box Amiga computers were extremely expensive.

The A4000 came out in 1992, and in 1994 Commodore was bankrupt, that was the end of all major commercial software development on the Amiga Platform.

I guess Apple was better in the marketing department; also truecolor was becoming normal in 1993 on PC and Mac platforms.

The problem whit Commodore was they were cutting corners, for any multimedia computer RAM is extremely important, a standard A1200 was fitted whit only 2MB of shard graphic and system memory.

Amiga CDTV introduced CDROM standard to Amiga but was not standard in A600 or A1200 models.

One weakness of Amiga platform was that CPU’s where surface mounted, the motherboards where not so easy upgradable, add crazy expansion cards and add-ons came later.

Extremely popular in 1987-1992 not so popular in 92-94, barely alive after, now its just shadow of what it once was.

Amiga was mostly successful in TV industry whit the software package like Scala4000, thanks to TV modulator, and the excellent software package, Lightwave also a nice program, but PC did take over that market as CPU power, true color graphic cards rapidly improving on the PC.

The lack of real owner some one that wonted to do more than own the patents and exploit its brand name, has really helped to devaluate the hardware and operating system platform, I am greatly tankful that it is a software development team that is in control of OS.

Now it is time and money that is mostly the biggest obstacle to modernize the OS, and bringing platform backup a real alive commensal platform.

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@WeiXing3D

Post ads on Amiga websites, I am not just because its no longer avail.

About PageStream DJ NIck tested it and in short OS4 Beta is still crap but they are bugfixing it, use 68k one. I beloeve you buy OS4 version and get to use 68k version too.

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@WeiXing3D

this is not a problem that there is no multimedia applications for amiga anymore but games. in fact there is pretty much no genuine software for amiga and its followups (os4, aros or morphos) today. everything is being ported from other systems, mostly brands of linux. therefore there is pretty much no applications because they are difficult to port (gui, no dependence of platform independent solutions like sdl). sdl games on the contrary are easy to port. i guess of all alternatives morphos is what is still best supported in therms of what could be considered genuine software.

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@Lazi

I actually tried to buy extra copies, unfortunately they need to be registered to someone right away, so couldnt buy extra copies to sell later.


@WeiXing3D

Which also gets to me to the unfortunate situation that you basically cant buy a copy of HW and Designer, unless you buy someones company out who has copy of Hollywood and designer with license to their company.

@wawa

Not quite accurate, is it, that statement?

On OS4depot.net, there are currently 3095 files. Even if 50% of these are ports (which I don't think they are) that's still 1500 plus pieces of new stuff, from utilities to full programs

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@WeiXing3D
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It's a strange that there are not too many multimedia software applications (animation, 3D design, music, visual applications, etc.) for the Amiga NG when it was the multimedia capabilities what made the Amiga famous, not just the games.

Considering all the 68k versions of multimedia applications that still run with OS4 and most likely MOS, there's quite a lot of options to chose from.
The best software takes a lot of work to create. In the 80's and early 90's there was enough of a market to justify the time investment so many software houses and bedroom coders made worthwhile productivity software.
And then, as long as it's still possible to run the older programs there's less of an incentive for people to bother making new versions.

Taking 3D raytracing/animation for example, it's still possible to run Lightwave, Imagine, Cinema4D, Aladdin, and possibly other ones, so it's not very tempting to start from scratch knowing how much work it would take to out-do these existing 68k apps. We're really lucky that Andy ported Blender3D as it provides us with many modern features lacking in the older programs, including a video editor.

For 2D editing the majority of the popular 68k programs still work, and we already havea few new ones like MindSpace, SketchBlock, IconEditor, DiamondBox and a variety of image viewer, some with editing capabilities.

The same is true of audio software, any program which uses AHI is likely to work. Davy ported his AudioEvolution mutli-track editor to OS4, Alfred ported the amazing Bars&Pipes sequencer, HD-Rec which is still being developped has some native PPC components, and there are some new native audio editors like AmiSoundEd and Horny the MIDI sequencer, and various trackers, players, streamers, etc.

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@OldAmigan

im not familiar with os4 depot anymore, but there are about 700 games which im quite sure are almost all sdl ports. and im not talking about mostly simple system utilities and patches.

according to eliyahu who answeres to the original poster in here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=36122&forum=32#674571

there is apparently not much original os4 software to mention. on the first glance i see:
1.digital universe
2. audio evolution? i think there has been dedicated version for os4 even though it abandoned the platform..
3. tunenet
4....?
the rest is either multiplatform (all amiga flavours), 68k apps that still work under os4, linux ports, or ports from other amigalike platforms (morphos).

the reality appears, the only complex utilities for os4 ive heard of lately is port of blender (working), firefox (port en course), open office for kids (port abandoned) and two programming environments, codebench (apparently working till certain extent but not finished), the other "AVD" (?) or something like this seems abandoned.

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@wawa

The following software is made for AmigaOS 4.x and newer and not ported over, there most likely a lot more, but does take a lot of time looking for things that does not come from Linux.

digital universe
TuneNet
pftp
yam
simplemail
wookiechat
sabremsn
warpview
amiamp
Excalibur
BluManager
Srec
cdxplayer
xnet
horny

There are also a lot software there has been nicely adapted to AmigaOS platform.

OWB,
Basilisk
Mplayer
amivnc
and lots more.

OS4Depot.net is a free where site so you won’t find commensal product.
Like Hollywood, AVD, CodeBench, DvPlayer, Audio Evolution was until recently a commercial product.

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yam simplemail wookiechat

those are available for all flavors as far as i know but lets say they are developed for os4, i cant argue about that. excalibur s just a startup utility from what i see, hard to count it as productivity app, that there is a multi-format media player is also hardly particular achievement. dont know what bluemanager is (specific blueray database?)

hollywood is of course worth to mention but it is not specific to os4, now that it seems to be discontinued goes perhaps the last worthwhile commercial software for amiga-like systems except the operating systems themselves.

therefore: as i said, ng software are sdl game ports, very few productivity utils, much less native, actually to count on your finges.. you dont need to list them one by one, it lets them look even fewer than they are..

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@wawa

OS4Depot has 3094 items.

451 of this are documents.
49 of this are graphics themes.
707 of this are games
163 of this are demos.
115 of this are related to emulators
43 of this are libraries
46 of this are datatypes.
451 of this are development packages.

That’s about 2025 items that’s not programs and utilities.
1069 programs / utilities / shell command / etc.

Now hard to tell how many programs that has a GUI, to exclude all shell commands.
I think about 90% is utilities / shell command.
That gives about 1069 *10 /100 = 106 applications.

MorphOS files has only 548 items.
Aros depot has only 735 items,

3/4 is not apps, 1/10 has a gui, you get the idea.

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Anyway I think way better to use application we have instead of counting the applications, and as I see it is irrelevant if application was made for AmigaOS4 or AmigaOS3 as long as it works, if program is ported to AmigaOS is probably a need for applications, can expect every application to be made for AmigaOS, not when most developers are doing this after work, when it does not conflict family life.

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im not counting anything. ive only answered to this:

Quote:

It's a strange that there are not too many multimedia software applications (animation, 3D design, music, visual applications, etc.) for the Amiga NG when it was the multimedia capabilities what made the Amiga famous, not just the games.

and backed up my statement in answer to this:

Quote:

Not quite accurate, is it, that statement? On OS4depot.net, there are currently 3095 files. Even if 50% of these are ports (which I don't think they are) that's still 1500 plus pieces of new stuff, from utilities to full programs

whether we count or use what is there the situation is as it is. it cant be hidden away even from a new user for long. and it concerns all of us as i said, not only os4 users, unfortunately.

@AlexC

Thank you very much for the great inside. Unfortunately for a rookie like me, without the level of AmigaDOS mastery needed to make any of those apps to work for me (with all the tweaking necessary to make legacy software to wirk in NG Amigas)) , I will have to stick to my idea of using an out of the box solution such as, PageStream and/or Hollywood+Designer.

I have checked several links including the website for PageStream and Grasshoper, and I still don't see what version exactly runs in OS4.1.

Is there anyone using PS with 4.1? What version? What type of system requirements, etc.?

I have a SAM460ex with the following specs:
- OS 4.1.4 Installed on a 64G SSD
- 640G SATA Hard Drive
- 2GB SODIMM memory
- Radeon 4650 PCI-E Graphics card
- SI3114 4 Port SATA PCI Card
- LG DVD Burner
- 600W ATX Power Supply
- Amiga Logo USB mouse
- Internal USB multi-card reader

Any help will be appreciated.

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@WeiXing3D

http://www.intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php?category=3&letter=p

Install software, just copy fonts to fonts, and libs to libs, and then try to start the application.

Often a installation script is provided whit programs, but be careful some some installation scripts overwrite libs, or install MUI where it should not be, so if you use the installation script take a backup first.

One way to solve issues like that is make a MD5SUM checksum of the libs before and after.

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MorphOS files has "only" 548 items. Now:

2 of this are documents (plus 2 diskmags).
24 of this are graphics themes.
115 of this are games
24 of this are demos.
22 of this are related to emulators (and 18 of them are emulators themselves)
19 of this are libraries
0 of this are datatypes.
48 of this are development packages (and many of them are "apps")

That leaves us... like... 292 "other" items. Nice.

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