@WeiXing3D

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1. Is PageStream's latest available version 100% compatible with OS4.1, and will it work as an out of the box application, or will it need some tweaking?

Considering that the latest is version 5, the answer is NO.

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2. If is 100% compatible, where can I buy it from? Is it Grasshopper or PageStream.com? What about other vendors?

My advice is: don't buy it until the programmer actually produces a stable working version.

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3. If I bought a previous or legacy version of PS, say 3.2 in floppies, could I make that work in my OS41. machine?

You'll be best off with version 4.1.5.6 for 68K. It's known to work fine under OS4.x.

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@wawa

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hollywood is of course worth to mention but it is not specific to os4, now that it seems to be discontinued goes perhaps the last worthwhile commercial software for amiga-like systems except the operating systems themselves.

Main version is AmigaOS 4 specific. Its not discontinued, but temporarily out of sale.
We do know OS4 software situation way better, because we do use it.

Any more points to teach us about situation we are in?
Any constructive ideas?
Any personal efforts to change situation by supporting anyone or anything?
Anything that you do like?

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@Trixie

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You'll be best off with version 4.1.5.6 for 68K. It's known to work fine under OS4.x.

Minor correction: DO buy OS4 version, you will get latest working 68k also.
USe 68k version mainly and in free time test and bugreport OS4 one.
That is only way to have it done.

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@vox

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And what about backporting RETURN TO CASTLE WOLFSTEIN to OS4 and MOS?

RTCW is already ported to MorphOS since quite some time already. And the MorphOS port was used for the AROS port as well.

@Fab

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RTCW is already ported to MorphOS since quite some time already. And the MorphOS port was used for the AROS port as well.

My bad I ment backporting to OS4 from MOS and AROS?

Also, Timberwolf could be back portable, so you finally get some use of OS4

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@KimmoK

Never heard of anyone making seriously dtp on Atari or amiga. In fact in the nineties there was hardly any PCs used for the task. I had to do with that and everything was done on Macs and with QuarkXPress. Not Even pagemaker was considered an Alternative. Whoever insist on the Opposite has no Idea.

@vox

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Main version is AmigaOS 4 specific. Its not discontinued, but temporarily out of sale.

How have you found out? Im convinced warpos version was the main One. Have you ever used the software? I did.

@wawa

The Amiga was the first desktop system to bring dtp to the masses, before MacIntosh or PC's, and programs like PageSetter and PageStream were regarded as the basis for the development of similar applications like PageMaker, QuarkExpress, etc. The AGFA set of fonts are regarded as the predecessor of the postscript language.

Many people, me included used the dtp programs for academic work, publicity, community journals, newspapers, etc.

In conclusion, it would be nice to take the lead or at least to find the path back to pass glory. The Amiga was the multimedia powerhouse and platform of choice in the 80's and part of the 90's.

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@wawa

That was bs. Even for industrial application people used Illustrator as well. yes, mainly macs though.

However as OP stated there are MILLIONS of people using whatever DTP tool on whatever platform to produce indy projects. Its not the tool its the designer. As long as you dont need CYMK for pro printing you could design and print documents on a classic or NG amiga.

oh and i've run Pagestream 4.x on Morphos I should try it on os4.

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@wawa

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How have you found out? Im convinced warpos version was the main One. Have you ever used the software? I did.

Maybe WOS version was the source, but OK there are versions for all. If it was written in Luna / Hoolywood there is a way to recompile to all, so why bother who was the source? Its great that software start developing at Classic PPC days or that it is developed on such system. And why not asking author? Does it change anything at all since WOS is still amigaos-ppc?

Your dark mind is heavy to comprehend, its easy to see what do you "dislike" but not what is your desire or affection to.

Yes, I have started exploring it since less then month a go I was forced to buy it ahead of other Amiga software, but have no regrets, but one: that I don`t have enough programming skills yet even in easy languages. With some knowledge of just BASIC and PASCAL one must return to shape.

(Early morning for my holiday time, its all about Hoolywood)

Main one for Page Stream is surely 68k. I have used it back in 68k days and I am looking forward first to recieve DJ Nicks copy (not piracy, he designed their website and doesn`t use it) as exchange for some help. Later on if they make newer round OS4 version, will buy it.

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@all

the pages from airsoft are completely gone

@realize

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That was bs. Even for industrial application people used Illustrator as well. yes, mainly macs though.

Illustrator is Not a DTP package, its vector gfx program. None would design a Wohle publication using Illustrator, thats insane! And talking back of the nineties when Amiga was still alive Freehand was actually the software of choice for the task. And yes ist was Macintosh only, on pc there was corel draw, a laughable pile of **** that nevertheless got some usage in lets say, semi professional sector, like printing flyers for the parties. Funny enough freehand was later bought Out by corel or Adobe, dont remember, and burried alive. That is Real conspiracy how to destroy superior technical solution, as amigans Love such Stories.

@WeiXing3D

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The Amiga was the first desktop system to bring dtp to the masses, before MacIntosh or PC's, and programs like PageSetter and PageStream were regarded as the basis for the development of similar applications like PageMaker, QuarkExpress, etc. The AGFA set of fonts are regarded as the predecessor of the postscript language.

Might be if you are Talking of the Eighties, i have no knowledge of that period, as it was before Ive ever been able to afford anything better than zx-spectrum. But that is so Long ago, im sure None in DTP sector remembers.

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What magazines have been produced (100%) on Amiga?
I know that Svedish DMZ was done on Amiga when it had 95% Amiga content (late 90's).
(scanned mags or something)
UPDATE: it seems that it ended already 1995 or perhaps it just changed content:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datormagazin

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@OlafS25

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@all the pages from airsoft are completely gone

True and sad, but Hollywood is not completely gone
http://www.hollywood-mal.com/
http://forums.hollywood-mal.com/

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wawa wrote: Might be if you are Talking of the Eighties, i have no knowledge of that period, as it was before Ive ever been able to afford anything better than zx-spectrum. But that is so Long ago, im sure None in DTP sector remembers.

I had friend working for a quite big newspaper some years ago and they were digging old storage there to take old Amigas used for newspaper publishing to some museum or some other preservation purpose. Old employees started to remember how good machines they were and how they would rather use them than current Macs they had to use.

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KimmoK wrote: What magazines have been produced (100%) on Amiga?

I think swedish Amiga Info (1996-1999) was completely made on Amiga. Here is one scanned issue for an example.

@jPV

nice find but im talking rather about facts than about feelings. fact is 99,999(9)% publications worldwide were not designed on amiga. in fact the only professional amiga usage i witnessed myself was very few semi professional video studios ive got my gear from, a cartoon studio where i was surprised to see one or two a1200 heavily used as line tester till end of the 90, and a product designer who used amiga for 3d-visualizing, i bought real3d from. he was bailing out for pcs, and mentioning amiga experience at that time if you wanted to pick up a job in a gfx sector, was a sure no-no.

@wawa
I guess you will also start denying that Amigas (typically with Videotoasters) were used for real live TV stations & TV shows too? Not that it makes the blindest bit of difference now, so I don't see any point in arguing about it.

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@ChrisH

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I guess you will also start denying that Amigas (typically with Videotoasters) were used for real live TV stations & TV shows too? Not that it makes the blindest bit of difference now, so I don't see any point in arguing about it.

why should i? after all im not trying to damage amiga, but rather put its usage into the right perspective. also remember that videotoaster was only available in america. i have one set of dsp par cards along with one of two a4ks coming from the university of arts in berlin. not so much serious work has been done on it judging by the content of the drives, but they have invested in it before they gave it away about 2k. another one i have is coming from free channel hamburg. used apparently to overimpose the chanel logo while broadcasting. ive also seen a disengaged a2k with a genlock in artist house stuttgart and the university of art in karlsruhe, where i have studied bought several casablanca units just after i have left it. not sure if they were still amiga based. so yes, amigas were used in the midrange video and broadcasting studios, but if they were as widely used as some suspect we would know it by now for sure.

@wawa

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Never heard of anyone making seriously dtp on Atari or amiga. In fact in the nineties there was hardly any PCs used for the task. I had to do with that and everything was done on Macs and with QuarkXPress. Not Even pagemaker was considered an Alternative. Whoever insist on the Opposite has no Idea.

I do remember people designing flyers and magazines, and most of Amiga magazines are partialy done there. No need to spit on OS4 software, just because its OS4.

For Jah sake, its as 68k for everyone also

http://pagestream.org/?id=1235

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This page is a work in progress PageStream Overview For Amiga, Linux, Macintosh and Windows PageStream is a full-featured desktop publishing program. It is suitable for all levels of publishing, from simple newsletters to color advertisements to technical books. With PageStream you can create letters, colorful schoolwork, presentations, business cards and any other type of document. Thousands of people have been using PageStream for years to realize their dreams, from rubber stamps to airline livery! Deron Kazmaier was one of the first to develop a desktop publishing program. The first version of PageStream, known at the time as Publishing Partner, was released in 1986 for Atari ST computers. Personal Publishing magazine reviewed it and called it a "knockout program". Publishing Partner grew into PageStream and was released for Amiga computers in 1989. PageStream went on to win every major Amiga and Atari award. PageStream 4 is available for Windows, MacOS, Linux and AmigaOS. How is PageStream different from other DTP programs? Like other publishing programs, PageStream can be used to set type, draw objects, and place graphics. It has extremely precise typography, professional printing, and a rich assortment of features. PageStream differs from other DTP programs in that it has most of the drawing features of an illustration program, some unique features that Quark and Adobe haven't thought up yet, a lower price, and most importantly, an outstanding interface.

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