@Franko

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OS 4.0 came with SFS as standard

And also FFS2 with support for long filenames. I think there is 68k version (at least with 4.0 Classic).

@number6

Well you need 5 chars for “.info” any file longer than 25 chars can’t have a icon, on OFS/FFS.

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@Franko

AmigaOS 1.0 and up all support filenames of up to 107 chars.

OFS is just a filesystem. That 1 particular filesystem had a 30 char limit. But that has NOTHING to do with the fact that AMIGA OS supports 107 chars.

FFS is just a filesystem. It inexplicably carried over the 30 char limit from OFS. Even though it did not actually make any sense to do so. The coder must have been really tired that day or something...

AmigaOS from v1.0 and onwards has ALWAYS allowed and fully supported 107 character filenames!

Since September, 1985 All Amigas have allowed and supported 107 character filenames.

OFS limited filenames to 30 chars because floppy diskspace was tight in those days and they thought 30 chars would be enough for anybody since $4000.00 IBM PCs only allowed 8 character names with a 3 char extension.

FFS should have allowed 107 char filenames but it didn't, due to a coding mistake, lack of caffeine or inadequate pizza consumption of the coder

However, pretty much all other filesystems DO ALLOW the full 107 char filenames!

This includes SFS, PFS, AFS (Do u remember that one from way back in the 1990s?) etc. etc.

Even the RAM: disk filesystem allows 107 char filenames. And RAM: has been around since 1985 on the original Amiga 1000 that Debbie Harry and Andy Warhol used.

Franko, u must be getting old

You forgot that Amiga rulez 4ever!

u forgot that your wee Amiga can store long filename files into RAM: even if you do not have SFS or PFS installed.

Give it a try if u don't believe me.

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@ChaosLord

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u forgot that your wee Amiga can store long filename files into RAM: even if you do not have SFS or PFS installed.

Indeed. That used to be a workaround.
Rename the longfilename while in RAM: and then copy to H/D.

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The point being is you don't see it till the bottom of the page. At the top of page there should be a brief timeline of all till now, then delve deeper into each progressive incarnation.

Chris

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@ChaosLord

Franko is right. Insert any Workbench disk to a disk drive and boot to full Workbench -- you are stuck with 30 character filenames.

I didnt know ram disk supported long filenames but certainly it was not documented feature. All documentation refer to 30 character limit.

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@itix

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Franko is right. Insert any Workbench disk to a disk drive and boot to full Workbench -- you are stuck with 30 character filenames. I didnt know ram disk supported long filenames but certainly it was not documented feature. All documentation refer to 30 character limit.

So the real limit was 30 chars. Was this limit ever overcomed by some patch?
Did it took OS 4.0 to formally remove it?

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@vox

No some one created PFS and SFS.

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@vox

From earlier post:

http://www.gregdonner.org/os35faq/diskfileoperation.html#1

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No some one created PFS and SFS.

OK but these are external file systems.

When FFS got this problem removed? I assume with OS 4.0 and 4.1

Its good to know PFS and SFS had this limit overcomed, but they never went official, even are great and still developing.
Personally I would include them with OS, JXFS seems not to have any recovery tools and isn`t way better then those two veterans.

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@number6

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AmigaDOS (dos.library): 102, plus 5 reserved for ".info" files Workbench/Fast File System (FFS): 25, plus 5 reserved for ".info" files Smart File System (SFS): 95, plus 5 reserved for ".info" files Professional File System (PFS): 102, plus 5 reserved for ".info" files (PFS has a minimum of 31 characters) Ami-File Safe (AFS): diskname length - 32, filename length - 96, comment length - 80

Thanks, but none is 200+ as originally mentioned. Its way better then 8+3, even Win95 limit but not yet to what Wiki article mentions. So we need to correct what "long file name" actually is.

Then this section needs a bit rework
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaDOS#File_systems

Who will do the work?

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@vox

System internals always supported up to 107 characters but at least Workbench didnt allow using more than 30 characters when naming files. I dont know if any of those details were addressed in later (WB 2.x or 3.x) versions.

I dont remember if accessories or shell commands had some limitations. Official documentation always mentioned 30 character limit.

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@vox

(HFS) CrossMac has 31 chars.

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@ChaosLord

I may be getting old but I can still tell the difference between what you could/ can do on any standard Amiga without having to add third party software to allow folk to make spurious claims like "Notably, AmigaDOS allowed long filenames (up to 107 characters) with whitespace and did not require file extensions."...

No matter how much spin you try and put on it the simple fact remains that all the way up to version 3.9 you had to install third party software to be able to use long filenames on the Amiga and even then most programs were/ are hard coded only to allow the display of standard sized Amiga filenames (Dirwork etc...) and long filenames simply cannot be used properly or safely on a bog standard OFS/ FFS Amiga...

Not sure why you "Think" that magically long filenames can be used on the RAM: disk or "stored in RAM: using OFS or FFS but you must have a very special one of a kind Amiga there if it can do that...

Like I have said, the only time AmigaOS ever came with support for long filenames as standard was when OS4.0 was introduced...

Methinks your meds might be a wee bit too strong there...

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@vox

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vox wrote: Thanks, but none is 200+ as originally mentioned. Its way better then 8+3, even Win95 limit but not yet to what Wiki article mentions. So we need to correct what "long file name" actually is.

Thing is Vox, if like me you were never daft enough to own or use a PC then being limited to only 8+3 characters doesn't matter and matters even less so when we're talking about the Amiga...

So there is no need to define what a "long filename" actually means on an Amiga Wiki page, if you want to know that then look up a Wiki page about the PC...

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@Franko

funny that i actually believe today 25 characters is enough for a filename. i am absing these limits enough on pc and still i cant use "?" in there, how about that??

@wawa

I always stick to the standard filename limit that a bog standard Amiga can handle myself...

The only time problems occurs are when trying to read CDs/DVDs that were burnt on a PC using long filenames for example. other than that the Amiga for me has always had more than enough character space for file names as standard...

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@Franko

You could not escape awful destiny of being forced to use Win95.
But love the way they killed Bill Gates in South Park, Bigger, Uncut ...

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Like I have said, the only time AmigaOS ever came with support for long filenames as standard was when OS4.0 was introduced...

OK, so as usual, community polished the downsides of CBM (what good is if system internals supported 107 if real use limit is 30? = 30 chars).

Hope this, amongst other improvements, will bring ya as some future OS 4.0/MOS user Its good to see each small portion of OS advancing (same goes for AROS and MOS).

Now, OK lets say article is OK if we put number 30 in that part.
Maybe having some link to AmigaOS 4 alongside MOS and AROS in first section.

What else? Article is fairly good to my eyes.

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@QuikSanz I've no idea why anyone would take anything said on a "Wiki" page seriously...

Amiga is only Amiga Classics no other Amiga NG that are common PC with a PPC instead of x86...
So in Wikipedia you can only read what was "Amiga".

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@vox

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vox wrote: @Franko You could not escape awful destiny of being forced to use Win95.

I did...

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