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Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
Posted on 1-Sep-2012 11:45:24
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Some background: I was never happy when (Ic)AROS was using a theme that was a blatant rip-off of AmigaOS4's (see here and here). Thankfully they changed the default to something a bit more original (see here - although Zune's theme still looks a bit too close to OS4's for my liking). The reasons why I objected then were:

1. Screenshots would lead to confusion from people only casually interested in Amiga stuff (i.e. they don't own an OS4 or AROS machine yet), as they may get mixed-up about what screenshots are of OS4 stuff & what are of AROS stuff. That could lead to some very disappointed people, if they buy the "wrong" machine, and then find out it won't do what they thought a screenshot showed.

2. It is disrespectful to blatantly rip-off the look which the OS4 guys spent a lot of effort creating & polishing.

(3. It also kinda feels like (Ic)AROS users would rather be using AmigaOS4, which was surely not the message they want to send to the rest of the world!)


ANYWAY, that's just a bit of history. My post is about THIS screenshot that I recently saw:



Initially I thought I was looking at a MorphOS screenshot, and it was only after I noticed some small details (e.g. "Wanderer" in the screen titlebar) that I realised it was actually an AROS screenshot.

This is FAR WORSE than the "heavily inspired by OS4" theme, because to my untrained eye it looks like someone has literally just copied & pasted the default MorphOS look. That is illegal, because it breaks copyright law... unless they have the permission of the copyright holder (which I doubt). As well as being illegal, it also has the same problems I mentioned before:

1. Screenshots will lead to confusion from people only casually interested in Amiga stuff (i.e. they don't own a MorphOS or AROS machine yet), as they may get mixed-up about what screenshots are of MOS stuff & what are of AROS stuff. That could lead to some very disappointed people, if they buy the "wrong" machine, and then find out it won't do what they thought a screenshot showed.

2. It is disrespectful to blatantly rip-off the look which the MorphOS guys spent a lot of effort creating & polishing.

(3. It also kinda feels like those AROS users would rather be using MorphOS, which is surely not the message they want to send to the rest of the world!)

And while I don't wish to speak for MorphOS users, I can surely imagine it will upset some of those users too. Which I doubt the author of the them wants to see.


Of course I would also object to seeing a MOS theme on OS4, or an OS4 theme on MOS, or an AROS theme on OS4/MOS. I am merely using examples that I've actually seen.


OK, I've put my flame suit on, and am ready to read lots of irrelevant or even completely wrong arguments about why I am wrong

Last edited by ChrisH on 01-Sep-2012 at 11:49 AM.
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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
Posted on 1-Sep-2012 12:03:39
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@ChrisH

Thank God Chris! This forum was starting to look like a normal forum until this thread!

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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@ChrisH

Why do you start this stupid and senseless thread? I was in the past for cooperation and because of nonsense like this I am more and more against (with negative feelings). Why do you not just stop? Don´t you have more important things to do?

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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@ChrisH

I compliantly agree, I think there are some people try to confuse people in to getting what they wont, some people are trying to fake it, instead of promoting what better about there operating systems.

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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@NutsAboutAmiga

We have a phrase here "Aus einer Mücke einen Elefanten machen" that means to make a problem where no problem is. Someone uses a theme that is not official because he likes it and posts a screenshot. So what? When this is already a problem then we are really at the end. Then we should split and never work together to avoid any discussion or misunderstanding.

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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@ChrisH

Well, at least the directoryopus icon is a rounded square icon so it is AN APPLE PATENT INFRINGEMENT

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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@ChrisH

Quote:

That could lead to some very disappointed people, if they buy the "wrong" machine,


You are right. I would be extremely disappointed, if I spent thousands of Euros for an X1000, only to realise that it wont run Icaros ! :)

Quote:

and then find out it won't do what they thought a screenshot showed.


If I am not mistaken, the screenshot shows Annotate running.
So what could I think, because of this screenshot, that AROS could run, that it wont ?

BTW. I personally think, that AROS should not use OS4 or MorphOS Themes. The OS4 Theme looks toy'ish and the MorphOS Theme (while looking really professional and clear) does not look like AmigaOS at all.

I like the standard AROS Theme, because it reminds of the Workbench 1.3 look. Maybe with different Colours and a little polished, it would be more accepted.

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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@Heinz

Yes they would be disppointed because they think Annotate runs on MOS and it does not

@thread

This is a private theme, not the official standard look. I could also say other things but I do not want to start a flame war here (i thought we were over that yet but I was wrong...). I am a little disappointed regarding Chris, he already started this nonsense in the "Annotate"-Thread and now he continues with it. That is all what I have to say...

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._Lindows

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

if he recreated it, it is legal(unless of course Morphos has design patents). There is a ton of case law to prove it. Just be honest you don't like the idea.

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That is illegal, because it breaks copyright law... unless they have the permission of the copyright holder (which I doubt).


So isn't that like asking someone if they beat their wife when you have no clue of it happening? Your making a serious charge without asking the author of it's situation, why? Why are you casting a wide net to defame AROS when it's down to a single individual's private work who you don't know if they are complying with the code's license or not?

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
Posted on 1-Sep-2012 13:19:10
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@ChrisH

It's an MUI skin.

What you're observing is the GUI toolkit theme, not the OS itself.

MUI is common to AROS and MorphOS, so of course skins will be interchangeable.

I do see where you're coming from (although I think you're rather hasty to be throwing the word 'illegal' about - given OS4-team's history with alternative Amiga-OSes and allegations of illegality, it's perhaps an unwise path to choose), but would you also suggest a linux distribution using the same GTK settings as another Linux distro would be 'illegal'?

How does that leave OS4/AROS/MorphOS XP-like themes, etc?

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@damocles

Quote:
Why are you casting a wide net to defame AROS


Isnt that obvious ?

Every time there is some positive news about AROS or MorphOS, certain users seem to feel the need to "protect" their OS4.
They dont understand that they really dont help OS4 and its users, but instead doing harm to the general image of OS4 and its users.

Fortunately most users here understand that cooperation between the different Camps is the key to have some kind of success in the future.

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Posted on 1-Sep-2012 13:42:48
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@ChrisH



Ok, so let's just start with alerting Microsoft to this clear illegal copyright infringement of OS4, shall we?

Or maybe we'll just stop being ridiculous fanboys and let people customize their GUI however they want?

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You could use Apples lawyers. They love stuff like this

Last edited by Kicko on 01-Sep-2012 at 01:46 PM.

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Re: Why MOS/OS4 theme on AROS/OS4/MOS is a bad idea & illegal
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OMG, what utter BS...

Let's have a list of officialy approved themes for Win, Linux, OS X, Unix... users, so that we do not hurt your or other OS4 users feelings... afterall, you did pay a hefty sum of money so why should the rest of us be able to have the same feel or look for next to nothing... right?

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Since when using a theme is illegal?.

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It is OK to mimic theme from another OS but of course not copy paste the original artwork. I dont know how legal it is to clone original artwork --- to my understanding it is legal if you give credit to the original artwork and dont claim it was your idea.

Anyway, this Ferox theme clone on AROS is very badly done. The text is not properly aligned and some buttons are out of place (see up and down arrows) and MUI/Zune is not using Ferox theme at all. I take it as compliment that someone want Ferox theme on his AROS box but it really bothers me it looks like sh*t. Sorry, it does really look like sh*t if you have seen the original.

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This thread is a troll, right?

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@Chris

here is a screenshot of Amikit with "MOS"-Theme. It is there for a long time already (other themes too including OS4) and noone complained...

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@ChrisH

The only thing that should be "illegal" in this thread are the copyright mafia & armchair lawyers that whing about utter crap like this...

You know I once had a backdrop, Icons and windows that looked pretty similar to that on my Amiga long, long before MorphOS, AROS, or OS4 were even thought of, perhaps I should dig it out and sue them all for copyright infringement...

PS: Some helpful advice...Take up Law and give up on being an Amiga user if whinging about nonsense like this is all that the Amiga means to you these days...

PPS: None of the answers you got here were "irrelevant" like you obviously hoped for, it's your entire thought process (or lack of it) that is really irrelevant here and no one needs to prove why you are indeed very, very wrong...

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