Subscription model is to get developers working full time on the OS, not like it is now where this only a part time job, where little is being done.

The idea of paying a small fee is that every one can afford it, even the once that are bad whit economics, and wast too mutch money on candy and Smoke and bear.

More capital for Hyperion might also open doors to buying technology or this might be video acceleration in hardware, or help from companies, the USB3 we don't have, Bluetooth support that is missing, printer drivers.

Lets say we go to Lexmark or HP and ask them to make printer drivers and we say we have no money, or we go to HP and Lexmark and say we paying for the work, what is most likely going to get some results?

Touch screen drivers, Ssci drivers, software packages, flash player, java.

Or we can be stuck whit part time developers that, can't afford to work on the OS, but have to have day job on the side, where have no cash for buying technology or buying for developers to work on important drivers and update the OS to modern system.

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a) that poll showed that OS4 might loose a great deal of it's users that way

b) it does not generate more cash it just spreads the cash-flow more evenly. Unless they plan to charge for subscription AND major updates. (in which case a) would really kick in).

I hate subscriptions and rather pay upfront and be done with it.

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a) Thats why you can't just simply put up a poll about it, whit out explaining way we need it.

b) We are almost paying nothing for it now, we get all updates for free and there is long interval between the full versions.

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first of all its "why" and not"way". i also wonder why are you so eager to pay in advance for nothing particular in return. if you buy something you know exactly what it is, this may be considered reasonable. while, why do you think it would be motivating anyone to do more and better work if he was given funds in advance with no precise appointments as for what the money was paid.

edit: also it seems most current small os4 updates is contributed anyway by freelance non-paid enthusiasts/volunteers. how do you expect the funds could be ensured to be distributed to them? looking from the other side nothing stops you from giving the money to the very people you consider worthy, or set up bounties for whatever you think is needed.

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The idea is that your not buying for the product, your buying the updates and support and continued development of the OS, as form of founding.

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I'd say the poll quite clearly shows that such a model is just as much needed as a death-wish

Those "free updates" were mostly bugfixes for stuff that was supposed to be in 4.1.0 with some 3rd party stuff and drivers for new HW (mostly 3rd party too) thrown into it.

You still haven explained why you think that such a model would generate more cash as to having a major release once a year (and if they can't make a release worth 120$ every year what makes you think the can make one worth 10$ every month ?).
You also haven't explained how such extra cash (if it would exist) would really help OS4 as it's right now done mostly by volenteers and 1-2 guys claiming to work fulltime on it allready ?

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why do you think it would be motivating anyone to do more and better work

Whit more funding you have more cash, so you can hire more developers.

There are only part time developers working for Hyperion right now, even Steven Solie is not a full time employed of Hyperion, I know developers are putting a lot in right now because they love the OS, but this not there main source of income.

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AmigaOS4.1 was released about 4 years a go in that time it has been 6 updates and many free updates on AmiUpdate, if do the math, if the OS cost 130 Euro divided on 12 months, divided on 4 years, I get 32,5 Euro per year, per month approximately 2.7 Euro, thats practically for free.

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Those "free updates" were mostly bugfixes for stuff that was supposed to be in 4.1.0 with some 3rd party stuff and drivers for new HW (mostly 3rd party too) thrown into it.

Update 1 was more substantial:
AppDir, URLOpen
drop shadows
notifications (Ringhio)
DDC
new WBStartup
etc.


I share your opinion subscription model is not good idea. It has his strong points, but negatives are far much bigger. And what is most important, many AmigaOS users are strongly against such concept.

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AmigaOS4.1 was released about 2 years a go

AmigaOS 4.1 was released in 2008, 52 moths ago.

@pavlor

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144:amigaos-41-for-classics-imminent&catid=36:amigaos-4x&Itemid=18

Looked at AmigaOS4.1 classic.

So its 4 years now, so we are down to 2.5 Euro per month.

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You will scare of everyone that might be interested from outside and you will loose a lot of from whom are left. It will be a heavy price just to get some money earlier and if it goes wrong it could be the final death of AmigaOS. Far too risky... (just my 2 cents).

@OlafS25

I Just think the current way of going about this does not generate any cash flow, and bad business model, because even if the developers do wont to work on the OS they have to do it when they are suppose to be setting in the sofa whit there family enjoying a nice movie or doing some thing different.

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I doubt that it would be enough to pay for a full-time developer.

You can help by buying from companies like Amigakit or Vesalia, donate to projects on AmigaBounty or the induvidual developers who has a donate button on their web pages.

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rearranging the funding practice in a way to hide higher payments from the users is not going to help any more. the level of self sustainability has been left behind long ago. apparently even trevors funding is hardly enough to keep development going.

@NutsAboutAmiga

That model, where I pay for product, is fine for me.

If they want my money more often, then maybe they have make major releases more often ?

And with this amount of userbase they cant hire very many full time devs anyway. Too few users.

Another way, maybe OS developing needs accelerating ?

There is some key-areas, where OS needs rewriting. They are discussed to death, but we can open new thread for them...

If they are finalised, maybe userbase can grow.

@mlehto

Are you also happy whit speed things are progressing? Do you have better suggestion to have we can get more work done?

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@wawa

Well your probably pay for services right now like your “The internet”, no one is saying ISP companies are greedy, and that internet should be for free, or a one time payment.

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rearranging the funding practice in a way to hide higher payments from the users is not going to help any more. the level of self sustainability has been left behind long ago. apparently even trevors funding is hardly enough to keep development going.

What funding?

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What funding?

the radeonhd drivers, the announced warp3d drivers for the said cards, apparently the office packet announced is also funded by him. trevor has apparently tried to suport developers in the past with hardware, who knows what else.