MIST: An Atari & Amiga in FPGA.

(aMIga / atari ST)

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189.99 EUR
price: | pieces:
184.29 EUR | 2+ (3%)
178.59 EUR | 5+ (6%)
172.89 EUR | 10+ (9%)
167.19 EUR | 50+ (12%)

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@Darth_X

How does it perform as Amiga?

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vox wrote: @Darth_X How does it perform as Amiga?

It uses the Minimig core.

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@vox

in similar range as fpgaarcade as it seems, the author claims a little less.

Last edited by wawa on 07-Jun-2013 at 07:17 PM.

@wawa

claims less and provides less: Memory appears to be standard 32M SD-Ram, max 133MHz speed and CL3 operation for anything above 100MHz memory speed.

If you look at Chameleon, you get *much* more. Memory is a special 200MHz Winbond type that can do CL=2 operation up to 125MHz (133MHz CL2 is pushing it, but still works with a few tricks). On top of that, you get a number of cores that have been ported already, including a turbo-c64 with all the add-ons you always dreamed of.

MIST has no Infrared, no 4-player option, no possibility to connect a real A500 keyboard, no option for C64 hardware (IEC is missing). Why all that work on a new board that does so much less than a Chameleon?

Jens

@Wiesel

Well maybe some are interested in Atari ST and while you're honest about beta stuff other aren't. It's then misleading and you could think that Mist is Gold Master which it isn't. (cores wise, can't tell about H/W stuff)

The most important thing to me is commitment to continue support on existing cores and developement of new ones be it by you (C64) or the community.
I would love wireless keyboard and mouse :)

Kamelito

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@kamelit0

Just looked at the schematics: The DA converter for video is funny. I'd expect some truly horrible linearity (that is: non-linearity) and thus not exactly the colours that you'd expect. Also, this guy seems to have a different idea about sigma-delta audio conversion. Chameleon doesn't have to hide behind way more expensive competition.

Many things on MIST are solved exactly like in the Chameleon (for example the extremely bad decision to use passive serial configuration for the EP3C25 - I'd do that different today), and the part of the Chameleon schematics that's not open is where MIST is losing big time (analogue and power).

I haven't gone through all the details, but if I'm right, this board does not start up without an SD card. Chameleon starts up from it's onboard-flash, so you always get a response from the unit.

I'd suggest that an independent journalist makes an honest comparison. And I would not be angry if this journalist takes a little while longer, because there's one good thing about this board: It pushed me towards the ST core under GPL, which should be very easy to port to Chameleon.

Wireless keyboard and mouse... aren't those available for PS2? I know that customers buy Micromys V4 and Lyra to use wireless input devices, so they should also work on Chameleon. Infrared is the killer app on Chameleon - you can browse the menu and use the CDTV remote control as joystick.

Jens

@Wiesel

Just sent a mail to AmigaKit to know if the wireless keyboard and mouse they sell is compatible with the TC64.
Next week is Father day...

thanks
Kamelito

PS I hope that others Arcade games are coming to the TC64

@Darth_X

That is simply awesome... it would be nothing better than meshing the Amiga and Atari communities for the betterment of hardware innovation and accessibility and make the rivalry fun and engaging!

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Always good to see another FPGA design.

I believe we'll also see an Atari ST core for the FPGA Arcade too. What would be nice is if it could also take advantage of the daughter board which would add USB, Ethernet and a real 68060 CPU.

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well in any case, the usb is nice to have.

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@Yssing

You're not kidding. After picking up a Deneb, I can't imagine using an Amiga for anything other than games without USB. My A4000 even connects to the internet via a USB dongle.

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@Darrin

I do wish there was a more affordable USB solution for the A1200, my a1200 needs USB so much

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@Yssing

Yeah, there has to be a market for "something". The USB stack is now freely available, so we just need new hardware.

A cut-down Zorro 2 card similar to the Deneb but without the flash RAM would be a great budget option for A2000 (with 68020+), 3000 and 4000 users. I guess the A1200 would still need a Clockport solution.

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@Wiesel

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Wiesel wrote: @wawa claims less and provides less: Memory appears to be standard 32M SD-Ram, max 133MHz speed and CL3 operation for anything above 100MHz memory speed. If you look at Chameleon, you get *much* more. Memory is a special 200MHz Winbond type that can do CL=2 operation up to 125MHz (133MHz CL2 is pushing it, but still works with a few tricks). On top of that, you get a number of cores that have been ported already, including a turbo-c64 with all the add-ons you always dreamed of. MIST has no Infrared, no 4-player option, no possibility to connect a real A500 keyboard, no option for C64 hardware (IEC is missing). Why all that work on a new board that does so much less than a Chameleon? Jens

Jens, thanks for appearing here and giving your honest opinion based on your years of experience.
Have you thought about making a Chameleon that plugs into the sidecar expansion port of the Amiga A500?

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