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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 30-Jun-2013 22:58:23
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| There's nothing on that list that can't possibly be done.
However, I think the most important question now is:
How many people will be working on this? Because that's a lot of work you have there in that post. |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 30-Jun-2013 23:33:45
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http://www.os4online.com/2013/06/amiga-openlinux-amiga-enterprise-linux.html
Sunday, June 30, 2013 Amiga OpenLinux, Amiga Enterprise Linux and Amiga Education System As we had reported earlier, with version 13.6, OS4 becomes the Amiga OpenLinux Project.
Here is a FAQ regarding those changes.
Q) Are you guys resuming what CommodoreUSA was doing? A) No, we are our own open source project with no connection to that brand.
Q) What is the status of the trademarks? A) We have registered and filed with the USPTO, the names, Amiga OpenLinux, Amiga Enterprise Linux and Amiga Education System.
Q) Is this an advancement of the classic AmigaOS? A) No, we are completely different. We are an consumer and enterprise software company as well as an open source project. We are in no way affiliated with Hyperion Inc., Cloanto, or any company associated with the Amiga OS or any of its legacy predecessors.
Q) Why are you guys supporting AROS? A) The AmigaOS and its offshoots, AROS and MorphOS are hobbyist operating systems and their markets are very small, non-expansive and completely niche. But, nonetheless they are there. But myself and my team are enthusiasts and we plan to assist them as we believe in community. AROS will allow Amiga users to run their classic 68K applications and newer AROS applications on our consumer desktop hardware, laptops and desktop units. In combination with Amiga OpenLinux, it will give those users a modern platform with incredible technological advancements offered by the Linux community.
Q) Will you guys market and sell Amiga branded hardware? A) The only Amiga branded hardware that we will support and offer at this time is the PowerPC based AmigaOne X1000 and PowerPC hardware offered through A-EON LTD. Our x86 based offering will be named as follows
1. The Fire Desktop 2. The Octane desktop 3. The BriQ 4. The Vision Server 5. The Indigo Desktop
We are doing this to differentiate ourselves and not confuse users and customers that we are in anyway affiliated with the Commodore line of computers or an extension thereof
Amiga OpenLinux will be made available to other hardware manufacturers who wish to bundle it, no matter the brand. We are licensed, Amazon Kindle Fire resellers and those will remain called, Amazon Kindle Fire.
Q) When will these changes take effect? A) During the month of July and be completed with the release of Amiga OpenLinux 13.6.
Q) Will you guys support classic Amiga computers? A) No, we are unable to and we do not know anyone who does. We recommend you visit other Commodore-Amiga enthusiasts sites to get support.
Q) What will the Amiga OpenLinux logo's look like? A) See below.
Q) Since you guys will be producing a PowerPC version of Amiga OpenLinux wont that confuse users? A) No, the PowerPC release will be OS4 PowerLinux. This way users and purchasers of those class of systems will not be confused as to whether they are getting Amiga OS or Amiga OpenLinux as we dont want to cost Hyperion sales or introduce confusion into the PowerPC market which is the only market where the Amiga OS currently resides.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AOCvqyR0ORs/Uc_b1nb98tI/AAAAAAAABMs/RZg_FGBzlzc/s1280/Screenshot+-+06302013+-+02:28:36+AM.png
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=os4
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 30-Jun-2013 23:59:24
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Done. At long last someone that speaks some sense.
Regards, Rude!
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 0:23:12
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there is already Aeros that (propably) offers a more decent integrated Aros/Linux combi.
Difficult to guess... he is very "AmigaOS" orientated, at least it could mean some more drivers and additional installations for AROS (as part of their distribution). And the unknown hardware partners and more infos about that in the next 48 hours.
We will see...
then he said nothing for classic user and perhaps some help (with drivers) for MorphOS.
So if he does what he talks about the most news for the AmigaOS camp |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 1:04:08
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i think it is fair. so aros can progress in peace as it did up till now. |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 1:05:56
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i think it is fair. so aros can progress in peace as it did up till now. |
i think i am now starting to see the benefit of not having 'the name.'
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 1:14:50
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and not having a company that try to talk one into buying some expensive stuff, instead a community of people who work together at will but for a common good. otherwise i must admit i tend to agree on many things you have said today. |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 1:20:24
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instead a community of people who work together at will but for a common good |
this refers to AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS communities, they are all the same in this regard, wanting the best for themselves, and helping each other.
helping between the communities? thats a different story._________________
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 1:34:22
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2. The Octane desktop 5. The Indigo Desktop
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So they not only are borrowing Amiga trademark if not also the SGI trademarks
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And a total impact product
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 9:34:38
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they are all the same in this regard, wanting the best for themselves, and helping each other. |
i wrote about people effectively working together, not just "helping each other".
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helping between the communities? thats a different story. |
again, not "helping" but "working for a common good". we have examples of good will from all camps, however the basic notion for openness towards others is only a characteristic of one of them. guess which. |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 9:48:07
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oh please don't focus on the spitting over Hyperion's work, the only real recognizable continuation of the Amiga legacy to date.. and don't focus on the "always late and disorganized" thing, either.
focus, instead, on the clarity and consistency of this plan. Focus and try to picture the team, no - wait - the /company/ behind it. Done? |
You forgot the continuation. He will give all the straight answers, anytime.
Well, that letter to community is up there. So far we have heard of Roberto, Cristobal and the wife. Not that any Amiga-like company is big nowadays.
Anyway, only spoken deadline is the port of OS4 Open Linux to X1000 and G4/G5 Macs I suppose. AROS release is also planned to be about NOW, and we will see what next x86 Linux release will contain - how much AROS, as it is immediate merge.
But AresOne/AEROS might or might not feel threatened, since their hardware prices put them to different league. Even X1000 with their Linux can only be as expensive as it can be, so AresOne PPC based on SAM460 also remains in different pricing league.
Kind of affordable and high end. However, OpenLinux level of support and integration of AROS is yet to match AresOne/AEROS.
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Hell, Roberto's wife has had several conversations with me about how she feels he is addicted to coding and would rather code than do anything else. He is always late for everything, he is disorganized and self filing so much it makes me want to scream at times. The consummate engineer. He doesn't play games and you can always expect a straight answer from him even if you don't like it. |
I suppose this should say man is set to goal, and is late for everything else beside coding.Last edited by vox on 01-Jul-2013 at 09:53 AM. Last edited by vox on 01-Jul-2013 at 09:52 AM. Last edited by vox on 01-Jul-2013 at 09:48 AM.
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 9:50:38
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Even if propably nothing comes out of this and the the brand is still locked we at least have realized that many people are fed up with the war and the discussions about "who is a true amigian". We are all! So we cannot force anything on MorphOS-Team or Hyperion but perhaps at least the climate between users and developers of the different camps could become more open with f.e. software (where possible) being ported, sources opened to other camps and so on. |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 9:56:06
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Yes I started writing a long reply, but there is really no point, he does know anything until he has tried to port anything to AmigaOS, beside I don't really know if Amiga OS is AmigaOS or if just playing whit words Amiga Linux OS, is he really worth my time and energy?
Yes porting something to AmigaOS depends heavily on what ported before, if he just have experience recompiling stuff on Linux, then he knows nothing about rewriting software to work in an Alien OS like AmigaOS, even some time you even lack the tools to configure or generate the makefile scripts, and then problem continue as you find out you need xyz lib form Linux, that is not ported.
As I say talk is cheap, writing blogs and making promises you can't keep does not get the work done.
It feels like all he wants to do is shake the tree, and see what falls out of it. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 01-Jul-2013 at 09:58 AM.
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 10:10:33
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he would need a tremendous capacity of developers working on it and that as a investment without getting money for it. That is what is a little suspicious to me. But except porting his distribution to PPC (X1000 and G4/G5 Macs) there are no real promises with fixed dates there. |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 12:34:15
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Still unsure whether your message means you agree with me or not |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 12:37:07
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"only real recognizable continuation of the Amiga legacy to date"
we should overcome this discussion... |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 12:40:08
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Your purposes are fantastic, but they are true or sincerely vaporware, or we buy your OS4 Linux systems? because in this case for me, I like on x86 Windows before Linux, and on PPC machines this is more easy MorphOS and OS4 but the true AmigaOS4. |
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 1-Jul-2013 12:47:23
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 11-Nov-2013 21:47:31
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A progress report on all these good things would be great. Been since July since we have heard anything.
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Re: Contributions that we plan to make to the Amiga community Posted on 11-Nov-2013 22:11:30
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