A group of five, all with self appointed executive titles (CEO, CTO, VP of Product Development etc.), adds a few stuff to Ubuntu, designs some custom icons, and call it a distro. The name is reminiscent of Amiga, the distro being called OS4.

They run a website, which is actually a blog on blogger.com, where they attempt to sell DELL, ACER, ASUS hardware preloaded with such "enterprise" distro, at TWICE the market price.

They also run a "yearly fundraiser" asking for $5.000,00 in donations.

One day their leader, Roberto, goes to the Amiga community. He pretends to have been in touch with Amiga Inc. and starts talking about changing his distro's name to Amiga-something. Then he denies it. Then he quickly changes the distro's logo to a boing ball and badly photoshops said logo on the "store" hardware pictures.

Then their designer posts a "message to the Amiga community", where he very professionally testifies the "company"'s reliability by talking about Roberto's wife and her complaints on how much her husband is an unorganized geek.

Then Roberto says - again - that he's going to name the distro after Amiga.

Finally, this group makes a list of promises where Aros, Linux, Morphos, drivers, Virtualbox and more are all thrown together without any coherent plan or direction.



Above, are only facts. I won't add any personal comment.
EOF.

Last edited by resle on 01-Jul-2013 at 07:04 PM.

@resle

Unless you can provide 'source' for the above 'facts'... it's all just thrown-together personal opinion, mate.

There is a lot of difference between 'words' and 'actions'. Sticks and stones and all that, right?

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Sources? Their website, this forum.
















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Last edited by resle on 01-Jul-2013 at 07:28 PM.

@resle

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Above, are only facts. I won't add any personal comment.

Perhaps this bit?

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He pretends to have been in touch with Amiga Inc.

Link to where he says "pretends" please?

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@number6

"To pretend" - to allege or profess.
Without proof, something it's a /pretense/. Something that can be /assumed/ to be true, but only on the /allegation/ of whoever stated such thing.

@resle

You have no proof that he pretended. Are you pretending that he pretended?

Anyway, why do with need an additional thread just to say don't expect anything to be forthcoming.

@Thread

Is this the place to bring pitchforks and torches?

@resle

don't worry, here when somebody says the true they are reported however lot of trolls survive under the good pleasure of certain people

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@resle

Having watched with mild amusement this whole farcical tale, I can say you have summarised things quite well. You should try to sound a bit less pissed though ;)

AFAIK the only bit of hearsay in your post is the bit about Roberto contacting Amiga inc. you can't prove a negative... Still this is a trivial detail and the rest of what your saying can be backed up with facts. I'm especially cynical about the claimed contributions to AOS4. Every one those promised things is man years of effort but there is no evidence that anyone at Roberto's company has used an os4 system, yet alone programmed one. Hell there's not even any evidence that they've done any real Linux work, since as we know anyone and their cat can spin a Ubuntu distro with some custom graphics and a few custom packages.

No hum. Dunno why we need a new thread...

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why do we need to be bothered with this? this is all matter to deal with for the respective companies. one way or another we have no actual say and i hardly expect to be called up as a witness in court. while it may be fun to discuss on forums i wouldnt get upset about it.

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i hardly expect to be called up as a witness in court.

"Your honor, may I treat this person as a hostile witness?"

Judge: The one from which camp?

"They assure me they are all hostile your honor"

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@wawa

Exactly. Who cares. Nothing to be excited or upset about whatever (doesn't) happen.

@ALL

I hate to brake it to you, but what he is saying is true.....

http://www.os4online.com/

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number6 wrote: @wawa Quote: i hardly expect to be called up as a witness in court. "Your honor, may I treat this person as a hostile witness?" Judge: The one from which camp? "They assure me they are all hostile your honor"

thanks for the hearty laugh 6 !

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fatman2021 wrote: @ALL I hate to brake it to you, but what he is saying is true..... http://www.os4online.com/

Uh break what exactly ??

Btw, doesn't Hyperion have the rights to the Boing Ball logo ??

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Why another thread and why I am so boiling about this?

Guess what, it's not about Roberto. There will be other 100 Roberto and Barry if the Amiga legacy lives long enough. There will always be a new snake oil guy in town.

My frustration is about the good people that fall for them. It is thanks to you and your good intentions that they keep going, one after another. They feed on your dreams, and the speed at which you're ready to hand over your dreams without any concrete proof, without any real logical inspection of the feasibility behind the assumptions, without any evaluation of the company - if any - leaves me baffled.

Things like people buying hardware for Belxjander because he babbled stuff about virtual machines, or people lining up to ask questions to this Roberto like he's the next Amiga Jesus because he slapped a boing ball on a semi-vanilla Ubuntu distro - things like those just drive me off the rails.

Roberto won't really damage anything, and neither did Barry if you think about it. It's about you, us, whatever. Anyway, I am really really done with this drama. Sorry for the additional thread.

@resle

I remember when barry made his c64 chassis etc. I wanted one of those, but didnt like the price tags
AND was unsure about what it was all about.
So I waited to see what came of it. Didnt buy one cause I saw where it headed.

I dont mind parting with money when I like what I see etc. Amiga/c64 Forever Ive bought several
updates of. Amikit Ive supported etc etc.
The support button on someones page is nice.

The reason for my "pitchfork" comment on this page is that over the time Ive been reading here
is that there seems to be no end to the negativity regardless of topic (amiga.org too for that matter)

Which OS is best! No its mine!

Trevor and Aeon=vaporware!!

NG is not Amiga! YES NO YES NO for pages and threads.

It gets tiresome to read, but then again I guess there isnt enough news in the Amiga world to keep
people entertained. So to keep the forum alive people have to fight instead.

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Overflow wrote: @resle [...] but then again I guess there isnt enough news in the Amiga world to keep people entertained. So to keep the forum alive people have to fight instead.

brilliant observation!

@resle

Dunno what dictionary you're using, but mine says

"to make oneself appear (to be (doing) something) either in play or to deceive others".

He said it without proving it, you're claiming it is a hoax without proving that. How are you any better?

I would have been fine with even something as harsh as calling it a ridiculous allegation, as long as you realize it's an unverified accusation on your part. If he backs up his claim with proof you're left with egg on your face.

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@olegil

Once more, what I meant was that he talked of something without proving it. I didn't state it was a fraud.

I happen not to be a native speaker, but I thought I made this point clear when I gave the explanation of the term as I knew it. My bad.

Anyway, this is the really depressing, pitiful part of the whole story: people falling so much for the snake oil vendor, that they rise as advocates of him.