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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 24-Jul-2013 20:36:33
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Nothing can ever be fast enough. It can be "as fast as it can be for the time being", and even (not talking about PPC here) "the fastest there is", but even that is "not as fast as what will come".
If Hyperion can make SMP for 4.2 with single-core affinity for applications made for 4.1-and-below this would in my book cover all bases.
forbid/permit would still need to be rewritten, but that's about it for the "classicy" software. _________________ This weeks pet peeve: Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 24-Jul-2013 21:16:28
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You bring up good points, which I knew about, but still wish the old Commodore was still around. If they were we'd have the next stage to their Amiga dream, possibly all the old developers around. . . man I miss the good old days of Amiga. It's just a shame more people didn't get to live the glory days of Amiga, got to see it come through to modern times, with massive support like Mac and Win gets. Hell, I'd be happy if we had a user base as large as Linux. The point still stands though - we need big companies to somehow support Amiga. Hyperion is doing a super job helping us re-live the glory days, I just wish someone major would swoop in and take notice of what's going on with Amiga now and help out. Thanks.
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 17:58:52
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| @edponpon Quote:
You bring up good points, which I knew about, but still wish the old Commodore was still around. If they were we'd have the next stage to their Amiga dream, possibly all the old developers around. . . man I miss the good old days of Amiga. It's just a shame more people didn't get to live the glory days of Amiga, got to see it come through to modern times, with massive support like Mac and Win gets. Hell, I'd be happy if we had a user base as large as Linux. |
I am very glad I can come to common ground with past CUSA supporters
Commodore purchased Amiga 1000 system and AmigaOS from third party (Hi-Torro) and while OCS was miracle at the times, ECS and AGA were not best graphics at time, and sound chip remained untouched all the time. While Commodore engineers did a great job in Zorro bus and software section in developing AmigaOS up to OS 3.1, management was awful, scrapping A3000+ with AGA and pushing unneeded A500+ and A600 models, overspending etc. and ultimately bringing itself down ...
I will here remind people that Commodore also planed to ditch Amiga (68k, AGA, AmigaOS) completely with AAA project anyway and go for ... Windows NT if I recall it good. So death of Commodore was kind of good thing, even it meant further struggle, that has brought OS 3.5-OS 4.
So Commodores fall maybe is end of Amiga domination or world competition, but luckily to users enthusiasm and few good companies, it has survived to the day.
But I don`t believe it will ever have massive community and user base as large as Linux, unless itself also becomes open source and multi platform, which was key of survival of Linux._________________ Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way! |
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 19:29:30
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Commodore purchased Amiga 1000 system and AmigaOS from third party (Hi-Torro) | Hi-Torro was renamed to Amiga, Inc. long before Commodore and even Atari being interested in Amiga technology.
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I will here remind people that Commodore also planed to ditch Amiga (68k, AGA, AmigaOS) completely with AAA project anyway and go for ... Windows NT |
huh, this statement is greatly exaggerated. There was official Unix port available for Amiga beside Amiga OS and similar situation would probably apply to Windows NT. Not to mention leave own OS would mean lost complete control over the platform and even Commodore wouldnt be so stupid but all this is merely speculation. check this one http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/winnt.html for some more info |
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 20:11:35
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Fortunately the AmiWindows NT relationship may not be over yet. The HP-RISC system jointly developed by Commodore promised compatibility with the Microsoft OS and the AmigaNG system is likely to include the ability to emulate an x86 processor and provide the Amiga with 100% NT compatibility at last. |
AmigaNGs failed to emulate x86 that well. Who knows, maybe patched Win2000 might after all be usable in QEMU on Linux on X1000, if I am lucky
Thanks. I ment it was supposed to be possible OS for Hombre, not A4000.
Maybe they had some other OS idea in sleeve, but it seems they were not interested to develop AmigaOS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Hombre_chipset
So their next Amiga could probably be AmigaOS less.
In such terms, MorphOS, AmigaOS 4 and AROS saved the day.
I do understand that people do hold Commodore because of good years from VIC to AmigaCD 32, but seems their managment was really desparate and strange in the end days.
Haven`t yet got Raise and fall of Commodore to get all the ropes
I am not talking about AmigaOS developers or engineers. ManagementLast edited by vox on 25-Jul-2013 at 08:16 PM. Last edited by vox on 25-Jul-2013 at 08:16 PM. Last edited by vox on 25-Jul-2013 at 08:15 PM.
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 20:22:20
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what are you want to tell us? whatever would commodore do if it didnt went bankrupt or not, is speculation. probably they would ditch the amiga line altogether as they ditched c64 line, it was probably too late to modernize it anymore. why has that any relevance for us today? except that the only computers called "amiga" were the commodore amigas, and nothing will change that objective fact.. please get over with it.. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 20:28:19
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Surely, but somehow Amiga to community means not only Commodore machines.
There were Commodore Amiga Mini`s for short period of time with brand new CommodoreOS
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If Hyperion can make SMP for 4.2 with single-core affinity for applications made for 4.1-and-below this would in my book cover all bases. |
Completely agreed. But yet to come. That, 3D drivers and Libre Office would be great improvements.Last edited by vox on 25-Jul-2013 at 08:36 PM. Last edited by vox on 25-Jul-2013 at 08:30 PM. Last edited by vox on 25-Jul-2013 at 08:29 PM.
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 20:41:36
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Surely, but somehow Amiga to community means not only Commodore machines. There were Commodore Amiga Mini`s for short period of time with brand new CommodoreOS |
perhaps, if you insist. there were some photoshopped fotos, but i have never seen any, heard of any otherwise and i doubt there exists any. and if it does, it doenst fall much into relevance.. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 20:46:38
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perhaps, if you insist. there were some photoshopped fotos, but i have never seen any, heard of any otherwise and i doubt there exists any. and if it does, it doenst fall much into relevance.. |
Well, I can confirm just one alien system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_fuf2WS5LM
Even there were two guides how to build it on your own
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 23:35:02
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Even there were two guides how to build it on your own |
as if i need to build amiga on my own.:)Last edited by wawa on 25-Jul-2013 at 11:35 PM.
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Jul-2013 23:37:19
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 24-Apr-2014 9:57:15
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You raise a valid point, although it's not corporate suicide per se in the year of 2014 because we do have Kickstarter and Indiegogo. If enough Amiga users (and maybe some potential users) donate, at least part (or half, in an optimistic case) of the budget could be bridged. _________________ Proud user of AmigaOS 4.1 on an AmigaONE 500. This is the first Amiga I've ever had so I don't know all the ins and outs of AmigaOS yet, so I'm sorry if I'm asking noob questions and stuff. |
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Apr-2014 4:15:41
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by Signal on 24-Jul-2013 10:40:14 Wait... I got one! CMP. Cooperative Multi Processing. A little of this, a little that, put it in a pot and cook it till it's hot. Pour it in a pan, fast as you can. Does not matter what it is, makes no difference what it's not. Get it going, so we can have fun. Now back to work, and "Gitter done". |
This could be interesting. What if they rewrite Exec/scheduler to run in 2 modes? One that just passes blocks of info to the cores for single thread apps and one for SMP apps written for it.
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Apr-2014 7:18:10
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Apr-2014 13:26:28
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Apr-2014 13:39:14
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UAE is a sandbox, no need to make a new UAE when some one already done that.
If AmigaOS4.0 software breaks in AmigaOS4.2 its not big deal, most of the developers are active and can recompile there software if it needs some small changes.
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Apr-2014 14:30:42
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No UAE is an emulator, something quite different to normal sandboxing. It emulates the processor and chipset with enough precision to run hardware hitting timing dependent programs. Doing this is very expensive.
A sandbox however is just separating programs from the hardware. Most modern OS use memory protection - one kind of sandboxing. Some systems support jails or the equivalent that not only separates processes memory wise but also limits them to a certain set of resources. The later is a tiny bit more expensive but not by far comparable with using a system emulator, at most there have to be some indirection when looking up resources.
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Re: AmigaOS 4 and new A-EON hardware Posted on 25-Apr-2014 14:54:47
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