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AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 10-Sep-2013 22:12:38
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| Hello guys I have opened similar topics in the past and thought that the problem was gone but unfortunately not. So I am re opening a new one to list the symptoms clearly asking for some advice willing to face a problem from a different view.
I got an Eyetech AmigaOne XE G3. The system would freeze in random point mainly when I am using some graphics applications like a video player -Mplayer for OS4- It would freeze on random time points if I open many apps, I would have to resent the machine as I am unable to move my USB mouse. Also no keyboard activity I am using an old type ps2 keyboard.
The machine would also freeze when I have the screen saver active.
No freezes if I leave the machine open running a small app like Wookiechat for example. It would run for days, stable.
I thought it is a memory issue so I ordered another memory stick of 512MB and etsted but with the same symptoms.
I run the memtester from a shell it did one loop: no freezes. In the middle of a second loop it would freeze.
With the older memory stick I have managed to go until six loops without freezes and then I canceled the procedure -control + C-. But it would freeze on different test seasons after first or second loop.
I do not know if my machine has the usb fix. I have tried after such an advice on other forum to boot the machine without the line MODULE Kickstart/ehci.usbhcd on my kicklayout module.:
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i had terrible stability issues with my SAM and my peg after update 3 and onwards once USB2 support was added to the system. under heavy CPU loading -- such as browsing using MUIOWB or decoding a high-resolution video -- i would get random freezes.
turns out the issue was the USB stack not getting enough CPU time (or something) and not 'seeing' my USB keyboard/mouse for certain periods. it then deleted the devices from its tree, thinking they had been disconnected when they weren't. others have reported similar problems with USB2 support in conjunction with USB2 PCI cards using the VIA VT6212L chipset.
the bottom line is that i disabled EHCI support in my kicklayout file. this means reverting to USB1.1 speeds, but i got stability back. try editing your SYS:Kickstart/Kicklayout file and commenting out the line 'MODULE Kickstart/ehci.usbhcd' and see if that helps. it sure helped me.
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Also I have noticed that the machine reports one USB Device connected, even if I have nothing connected (!) -not even the ps2 keyboard-! Strange?
The tower I am using has 4 fans inside. The PSU was purchased with the tower on 2009 new. I have changed the battery recently.
The machine also hosts a wireless network card and a catweasel they both work good, but I am not using the wireless card now.
The machine runs 4.1.6.
Do you have any ideas / advices? How can I get rid off those freezes? Are there any diagnostic applications that I can use? Is my machine dying?
I do not remember such issues in the past but I was not using the A1 that much.
If you want to know any more details just, ask.
Any help will be welcome.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 10-Sep-2013 22:44:32
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 0:05:25
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| @vox
I have commented this line: MODULE Kickstart/ehci.usbhcd
Is this the one you mean?
Thanks for the info, this article seems to be quite helpful:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=el&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bboah-works.de%2Fprojektfaq%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Dartikel%26cat%3D1%26id%3D9%26artlang%3Dde&act=url
IF the problem is the usb fix which I do not know if is in existence or not in my machine, perhaps the machine would be stable if I DO NOT use USB at all? Got to find a PS2 mouse and test.
How can I detect if my machine has this fix?
Some more suggestions would be great!
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I thought that ussing a PCI USB 2.0 card would fix the problem (maybe?). But I got to find one with the NEC Chipset. Right? Tested with two different ones I have here, no success the machine did not even boot. Which is the suitable card / model to go for?
Last edited by Morphix on 11-Sep-2013 at 03:26 AM. Last edited by Morphix on 11-Sep-2013 at 12:15 AM.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 7:47:43
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| @Morphix
The 1 USB hardware is the USB roothub present on the motherboard.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 9:37:05
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| @Morphix
If I was first owner, and never did the fix, surely it hasn‚t been done.
Since its a bit risky, if I was you:
- I would look at Hyperion support forum on which USB 2.0 cards do work with ECHI driver and A1 XE and would get it instead of messing with board fix (unless someone professionally does it in Amiga shops) http://forum.amigaos.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=317&sid=0746aa107e64e09801253e4d3a0edd8a
- Would get officially good RAM (like from AmiKit) to make sure its not the RAM causing the problems
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 11:51:50
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How can I detect if my machine has this fix? |
If it's a first hand machine, it doesn't have it. Otherwise you should see some wire on the motherboard but I don't remember where. At the back you should have this wire and at the front this one.
Other photos are here.Last edited by elwood on 11-Sep-2013 at 11:56 AM. Last edited by elwood on 11-Sep-2013 at 11:55 AM.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 13:04:26
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The fix you show is actually the UDMA fix!
The USB fix only consists of 15K resistors soldered to the USB sockets on the underside of the motherboard. In the case of the XE board there will be eight resistors, four for USB sockets 1 and 2, and also four for USB sockets 3 & 4.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 15:30:42
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 15:52:37
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Thanks for the reply sir.
I have really no probs using usb stuff, keyboard, mouse and pens is what I have tried all working good.
I am not able to do a soft reboot using keyboard keyboard as it would not respond after the freeze and it is a normal ps2 keyboard but same happens with a usb one. I am able to reboot pressing the reset button on the board. Is it a soft reboot?
At first point, I think that it would be better to find a working usb 2.0 card and try to use this noticing if the freezes would disappear. And / or find an old ps2 mouse to check with no usb devices at all on the machine.
This is a simple and logical test.
If the freezes remain then I got to check the psu, cpu module cases.
What do you guys think?
ps. So if anyone got a spare -tested and working on an amigaOne XE / AmigaOS 4.1- usb 2.0 card can drop me a line and we can discuss a possible selling of even lending for some days, this way I would be able to test. Thanks! Last edited by Morphix on 11-Sep-2013 at 03:55 PM. Last edited by Morphix on 11-Sep-2013 at 03:53 PM.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 17:10:37
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| @Morphix
It sounds like heat to me. I have the same problem and it gets worse with more CPU load. Installed these:
SpotCool and Case Fan
It has helped A LOT, but it still freezes from time to time. I would say this combo has reduced the lockups by a factor of 10 or more. That's why I think the problem for me at least is the CPU over heating. Also, the tasks you talked about having problems with seem to be CPU intensive ie video player or having many apps open at once.
I think the best fix would be a new CPU fan, but they are hard to find and a risk to instal since the CPU modules are already old and I have damaged one messing with the CPU cooler. I am still waiting for it to be fixed so I can't break my CPU at least until I have it back! |
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 20:16:03
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 21:28:52
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As the machine is quite old now it could be something as simple as dirty contacts in your ram sockets. Have you tried emoveing and inserting the ram module 10+ times? that should clean the contacts on the mobo then before inserting for the last time clean the contacts on the simm by rubbing in on a sheet of printer paper, just use it to polish the connector.
while you're at it, do the same for your gfx card. it might be the gfx card freezing rather than the system. It it does freeze it appears as if the system has locked up even though it might be working in the background. A quick test for this if you have a boot sound set up is to assign "Run >NIL: *>NIL: C:SoundPlayer QUIET" to a key with FKey, when the system appears to be frozen press that key, if you get sound it's the gfx card.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 11-Sep-2013 23:01:39
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As SE owner I recommend you disable usb from uboot and comment out usb from kicklayout. My SE is hopeless usb switced on, random lockouts as you.
Better to get working usb 2.0 card and stick with it. Still onboard usb commented out from uboot. If it is not commented out, it still locks system, even if it is disabled from uboot.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 13-Sep-2013 17:57:25
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Thanks for the reply sir. |
You're welcome loyal AmigaOne subject.
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I am able to reboot pressing the reset button on the board. Is it a soft reboot? |
No that would be a cold reboot. Or hard reboot. Soft reboot is AmigaOS reboot.
No matter, just that a debug log doesn't survive cold reboot. I'm sure they could do something about it.
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Personally I don't think a USB2 card will help as that is introducing extra hardware the machine and OS has to deal with. It complicates the situation and unless the problem is USB related there is not much point. USB can be disabled on the board and/or in the OS to see if it is causiing trouble. Forexample you coudl disable USB modules in Kickstart.
And FWIW, for testing A1 USB, I meant the back ports where no extra devices would be connected. It's easy to see a USB device fail on the back ports. |
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 13-Sep-2013 18:45:38
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Severin wrote: clean the contacts on the simm by rubbing in on a sheet of printer paper |
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 13-Sep-2013 20:46:32
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It sounds like heat to me. I have the same problem and it gets worse with more CPU load. Installed these:
SpotCool and Case Fan
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I like that case fan from Rosewill. I had to push my XE G4 out of the way when I received my X1000, but when I finally get the XE set up again I'll give that case fan a try. I know it needs more air movement.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 26-Sep-2013 9:31:18
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What version of MPlayer are you using? The MUI version? This one has a bug that it always opens bsdsocket.library (for streaming, even if you are not streaming), but then it closes it twice! This causes the open count to go below zero and then all kind of wierd lockups and network dropouts happens, usually when you are away and the screen blanker is active.
Also see if you are running low on memory so that it starts swapping RAM to disk. This is buggy and doesn't really work in OS4 and will cause lockups of various sorts.
So: 1. Stop using MUI mplayer. 2. Disable swapping.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 26-Sep-2013 9:56:04
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As Sundown said, test your memory. I had a lot of freezes with my former memory stick. I then changed for a new one, a supported one and the all the random freezes disappeared.
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 26-Sep-2013 11:26:51
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| Check very good the motherboard , I have the same problems here on my pegasos and I find the truth .. There are micro resistors under the ram slot and near the marvel chip who are starting put of micro quantity of acid ... I use for now a anti-fluxant hope soon can send it to the repair assistance ... Probably acube can fix it.plus the capacitors after 6/10 years start loose they're steight and make machine unstable too
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Re: AmigaOne problems (again) - Random freezes Posted on 26-Sep-2013 12:12:34
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