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phoenixkonsole 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 18:54:14
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@mailman2
Sure multicore is faster...
But:
There are still a lot of single core systems available.. so at least there it is irrelevant.
A old 2.8GHZ single core will be still on par with some low spec(power efficient) amp systems.

Than:
Use AEROS and you can make use of multicore at least for linux/windows applications.

Official Nvidia drivers are better is correct as well... nah ok, not always.
But if so:
Try AEROS which uses official nvidia drivers and AROS games will fly:

Old video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoSTGWjoEwM

ARIX is in the work as well and some smp experiments have been done as well.
So come back in another 7 years ;

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rebraist 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 19:14:20
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@phoenixkonsole

3 pages is too long to a "we should stay united" "aros is the enemy". Why shouldn't be linux the enemy? If linux devs would develop for os4 or morphos we would have a better system. The real enemy is the sleeping time! If os4 programmers wouldn't sleep they could better develop! Better: we should be united against the reptilians! Reptilians are the real only enemy of Amiga! Or illuminati, al Qaeda, or whatever else you prefer...

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paolone 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 22:15:11
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@mailman2

Quote:
We should be united.


No. Thank you for the sweet proposal, but I've different tastes.

kind regards

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Arko 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 22:26:39
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@OlafS25

Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:

I think "silly SMP" was about that, examining what has to be changed and what the consequences are.



That might be the best use of 'silly SMP'. Maybe there will a time when AROS x86/x64 goes toward SMP. You won't mind a API compatibility break, as long as AROS 68k won't lose AOS3.x compatibility.

But I would like to ask for a possibility executing older AROS x86 applications on it, at least on a 'main core'.

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cgutjahr 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 22:31:02
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@Vistaus

Quote:

Or you're just a lousy forum guy? What's up with people calling me a troll?

Hey, sorry - terrible misunderstanding. I was trying to make a joke at ssolie's expense, I wasn't really calling you a troll.

I'll try to aim better next time.

Quote:

Anyway: the tweet said "multi-core support" so I assumed that meant SMP

ssolie did say in here that he "didn't like" the term SMP. Can't find the thread right now.

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Boot_WB 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 22:37:22
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@rebraist

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rebraist wrote:
@phoenixkonsole

3 pages is too long to a "we should stay united" "aros is the enemy". Why shouldn't be linux the enemy? If linux devs would develop for os4 or morphos we would have a better system. The real enemy is the sleeping time! If os4 programmers wouldn't sleep they could better develop! Better: we should be united against the reptilians! Reptilians are the real only enemy of Amiga! Or illuminati, al Qaeda, or whatever else you prefer...


Splitters! (nsfw)

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eliyahu 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 22:37:47
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@cgutjahr

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ssolie did say in here that he "didn't like" the term SMP. Can't find the thread right now.

the post you refer to is here.

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Jupp3 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 23:02:21
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@Overflow

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Unless it would require some very spesific x86 hardware, most of us got one of those at home already.

Just like many AmigaOS4 users already had a PPC Macs.

Quote:
Kinda like with SteamOS, same hardware, just not Windows. No hardware investment for the ENDuser.

You do realize that something like this already could have been done, with PowerPC? (MorphOS did it). Moana beta proves it was even realistic also for OS4. But for whatever reasons, this was canceled at some point.

Asking with your own words, in which way does AmigaOS4 require "very specific PPC hardware"? Hint: Currently supported models vary a lot. Some platforms also require some rather nasty workarounds for hardware bugs.

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number6 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 23:13:01
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@Jupp3

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But for whatever reasons, this was canceled at some point.


The history is detailed on AW. Just search for the project name.

In a nutshell...legal (we're talking Amiga, so this should be obvious).

#6

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BigD 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 23:14:00
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@Jupp3

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Of course with X86 it would be WAY easier to "do the Eyetech thing", take some existing hardware and simply rebrand that as "AmigaOne".


It's far more inspiring and leads to better, more reliable computers if we do the 'A-EON thing' and design them from scratch. However, they need to be cheaper. The X1000 makes the new MacPro seem like a viable cost effective option at £2,499.00

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Boot_WB 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 23-Apr-2014 23:29:36
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@BigD

Quote:

BigD wrote:
@Jupp3

Quote:
Of course with X86 it would be WAY easier to "do the Eyetech thing", take some existing hardware and simply rebrand that as "AmigaOne".


It's far more inspiring and leads to better, more reliable computers if we do the 'A-EON thing' and design them from scratch.


Evidence suggests that might not be the case compared to using existing mass-produced hardware.*
Sterling support from Amigakit though, chicken-sacrificing fix routines aside.

* Although obviously way more reliable than literally doing "the Eyetech thing".

EDIT: Linked to wrong thread. Corrected.

Last edited by Boot_WB on 23-Apr-2014 at 11:34 PM.
Last edited by Boot_WB on 23-Apr-2014 at 11:32 PM.

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Jupp3 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 24-Apr-2014 11:41:00
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@number6

Quote:
The history is detailed on AW. Just search for the project name. In a nutshell...legal (we're talking Amiga, so this should be obvious).

That's exactly my point. No matter what the reason behind the decision is, I can't see why it wouldn't happen again on "cheaper" X86.

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scabit 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 24-Apr-2014 16:53:35
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@Deniil715

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If that split had never taken place, like for example if the driving forces behind PPC was not hindered by Amiga management and stupid lawsuits back in the days the people behind MorphOS would not have had to spend all this time and effort developing MOS from scratch, but could have based it on AmigaOS sources, like OS4, and gained a lot of years of development. And AmigaOS would not have needed its own set of engineers to reinvent the new shiny wheels the MOS guys already had done. And there would not have been a split of engineering forces in two equal, almost, OSes.


wow, thats a really neat summation of the split between those two camps.....


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bison 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 24-Apr-2014 20:50:04
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@mailman2
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AROS is useless and should be canceled many years ago - no later than 2007.

Please try to reign in your totalitarian tendencies!

Following your line of reasoning, Linux users might say, "AmigaOS should have been cancelled many years ago." And OS X users might say, "Linux should have been cancelled many years ago." And Windows users (I'm sure you can see where this is going) might say, "OS X should have been cancelled many years ago."

And... VMS users might say, "Windows should have never happened — keep your crappy UI and give us back our OS."

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amigadave 
Re: We should be united
Posted on 25-Apr-2014 0:25:25
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I think that everyone and every camp has had ample chance to vent their opinions and emotions about this (questionable) topic.

As it does not appear that anything useful can come from this thread, I am locking it now.

If you have strong objections to this action, contact me with your reasons via PM, or contact another moderator of your choice.

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