It's hard to feel alarm about something that goes so slow. Like a train wreck that goes on for years. After a while you get used to it. What's really alarming is coming back to this (or any Amiga web site) after a year and it seems like the same people are saying the same things and nothing has changed. It's frightening that topics that are five years old seem current -- and they actually are. Amiga users are 30 years older than they were when the Amiga 1000 came out. They're getting old. After a while they're going to move on, either to heaven or the rest home. There aren't any new Amiga users. People talk about Amiga OS 4.2. But nobody knows anything about it except the person who works on it after the grandkids have gone to bed. It's hard to feel excited about new hardware that is already obsolete by the time it's wended its way through the development process. It's obsolete when the first engineer draws the first line on the first design drawings. I'm very against NDA's. It seems like the only purpose of them is to keep people in the dark so they don't know how slow progress is. There is no competition to steal decades-old "secrets". I think loyal Amiga users deserve to know everything before they die. Is the marketing strategy to wait until all desktops have disappeared and then bring out something "new" called a desktop computer?

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I'm very against NDA's. It seems like the only purpose of them is to keep people in the dark so they don't know how slow progress is.

They also assist people in being deceptive and/or to protect their interests.

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it seems like the same people are saying the same things and nothing has changed.

Frankly if the IP wasn't such a minefield, you wouldn't have to deal with all of this as a user who merely wants honest input about status. The second quote is somewhat tied to your first. Change won't come from extreme protectionism. But that is the constraint those trying to push things forward have to function under.

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They're getting old

I´m only 1 year older than Amiga. Eastern european Amiga community is younger than western european.

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It seems like the only purpose of them is to keep people in the dark so they don't know how slow progress is.

After so many ufulfilled promises of many Amiga companies (including Hyperion...), Hyperion probably thinks this silence is better.

@thinkchip

I do not share this view, except perhaps if you reduce Amiga to AmigaOS4 (and there should other comment). There is pretty much activity on the 68k platform with new accellerators soon (fast processor, 128 MB, FPGA, LAN, modern output to monitor...) and I am busy with my own main interest (Aros 68k), Aros in general is also evolving including ARM as a new main platform and Arix as a new commercial branch, two App Stores are getting ready, MorphOS is supporting G5 now and new updates available. On AmigaOS there are new third party software available including MUI4, OWB and Magellan. So pretty much activity I would say

@OlafS25
I Share your thoughts. Amiga was Never More exciting (as a Hobby).
Musicans and Designer and especially related to the Retro style of Games can Even do their Job with amigas. (Amigas = aros, amiga os and morphOS)
There will be more things than AppStores which will bring amigas a Little Bit more on eyeheight with Mainstream.

Aeros bring's a "normal" desktop experience enjoyable by non linux Users since Apps are placed wherever a user likes to Place them.

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@thinkchip

I don't understand why it is so important to exactly know how the future will be. Why not just be happy with what is here now, and help create the future you want?
I don't understand how knowing when OS 4.2 will be released is somehow going to change your current experience with 4.1 (or whatever application/OS/version you use).

No one, unless lying, can promise a huge user-base, multiple commercial killer applications, or new super-duper versions of what-not. At least, it seems that's what you (and others) demand.

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Have you really been away for a year ?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38969&forum=14&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#733314

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maybe he meant a month?
He might be talking about usage time vs the past.
Actually it reads more like an observance of what he believes someone coming back after a year would conclude.

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seems like a glass half full day

I must admit, as an X1000 user, that waiting for the onboard ethernet to be finally released is frustrating to say the least as I really need the extra PCI slot open and of course the long awaited FULL 3D is something ALL OS4.1/2 users are lusting for. That being said I'm quite happy with all the 3rd party releases this past few years and just smile every time there's an update via AmiUpdate

btw, IMHO, NDA's are essential to keep the Beta Testers/Developers testing and focused rather than being distracted by 1 million variables out in the 'open' fora.

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@thinkchip

It is what it is. Amiga Inc missed the rise of the smart phone, the tablet craze and lost control of their Amiga Operating System to Hyperion. The only think of note they ever created was a Christmas card maker! We're lucky A-Eon and Hyperion fly the flag for the Amiga at all. The fact that SMP is being worked and there is a machine that can utilise it is available for sale right now (X1000) again is a mini miracle. Every day that the Amiga community and Amiga companies persevere is a bonus. The world would be a grey dull place with no Amiga alternative.

The PA-6T was a good choice but made end-of line by Apple The Freescale chips will create good A-EON machines and software is developing. The AmiStore is a great idea, all is not lost!

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AmigaOS wants you.



Ask not what AmigaOS can do for you, but what you can do for AmigaOS.

People thinks the only thing they can do is complain about what some one else is trying to do, thats not true at all,

the people are ones in power, you are the ones with money in the pocket. Most developers are not making a living on AmigaOS or writing software for it, if you want things to progress faster this needs to change.

Get active by supporting developers, and there are other ways users can help the platform, and that's by being active writing blogs, doing translations, graphics, and make musics and sound effects that programs or games can use.

There is lot software that needs themes.

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Amiga users deserve to know everything before they die

Not all of us are on death's door. I'm 31 years old and know several Amiga fans and current users in person, and they range from mid 20s-40s. I think the userbase is older in America as most discovered the Amiga with the A1000 in early 80s, but over here in the UK the main market was kids/teens in the late 80s/early 90s, I was 9 years old when we got our first A500 and pretty much everyone I knew at school aged 9-15 had an Amiga back then, so I'd like to think we have a few years left in us yet.

@Spectre660

No, I check in about once a month. However, there are topics that are many years old about "current" development.

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@jaokim

There are many essential features that OS 4.1 lacks that are hoped for in OS 4.2. There are plenty of postings about what these features are, so I won't go into them. On the other hand, we have to wait for OS 4.2 to get them all at once.

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@thinkchip

You are very right on with what you are saying. The biggest two things that hurt amiga os4 ng efforts to me are

1. Decisions to port to alien hardware instead of focusing on new software apps and games and os features. Many many man hours of programming wasted on proprietary drivers for alien hardware.


2. Fanboyism. Yup, yesing people to death and abject fanboyism has lead to a very stale community.

as far as "4.2" goes seems a long way off. I really wish people would get away from the stupid multi core and smp support stuff. its quite foolish and there are many other practical things that need doing.

Drivers need to be written regardless of architecture.
Also, is there a single gpu, sound card or nic that is used for ng platforms that isnt from "mainstream" computing world? Drivers dont write themselves and its not just a matter of recompiling existing drivers. Once a certain bit of hardware has drivers for an amiga-oid system has been written is about the closest you'll get to a one size fits all option besides going the arix route, but even then its architecture specific.

To lighten up the mood I will allow myself to quote Mikey_C's GREAT signature

"No cause is lost if there is but one fool left to fight for it"

And we are many fools!



edit: corrected wrongspelling of Mikey_C's name (sorry man)

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Its Mikey - I'm no blooming mouse!! :P

As to the whole amiga thing - Meh!

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Okay, let's see...
In September, AmiStore will be available. Ads in Amiga Future tell us that the new music program "Score" will be available there, as well as other new software packages. Cherry Darling is working on new games, specifically "Ace of Spades," the follow up to "Ace of Hearts". This last year has seen major updates to DOpus, the release of "Putty Squad," (Both of those major surprizes, with little or no fanfare,) etc. There have been sitings of a revival of Brilliance. New accelerator cards are about to hit the market, new SAM boards are being manufactured, and the new uplevel AmigaOne machines are being tested. Is it slow? Yes. But there is progress. I think AmiWest might be a bit of a thrill this year!

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